This time it's Afghanistan. Hooray. USA and NATO created Daesh in just another country. That's a fourth one, after Iraq, Syria and Lybia. Not surprisingly, 100% of the countries with a major Daesh presense were invaded by USA and NATO, and/or USA and NATO financed and armed terrorists there (aka "moderate opposition").
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Another country starts to fall into Daesh control... Of course, it's the one where USA armed "opposition"
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"Evil dictators" were overthrown by the West, and Daesh was put in charge. Aaaand Western population still buys it anyway, i mean, every brainwashed idiot still supports an idea to overthrow Assad. Like an examples in Lybia, Syria and Afghanistan weren't enough. Seriously, how can you possibly not realize that you're brainwashed idiots?
Insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results.Knowledge is Power
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Ahh, Sputnik News. After Putin noticed his Russia Today outlet was a laughing stock for carrying nothing but conspiracy theorist cranks and overt pro-Kremlin propaganda he tried to just open a second outlet, called Sputnik News, doing the same thing and hope no one notices. I see now why you are always so confused and misinformed. Or are you now doing your job over at the troll factory trying to boost the Google rankings of Putin's garbage Propaganda sites?
Rational wiki got RT right and it has a nice section at the bottom explaining what trash Sputnik News is.
RT (formerly Правда Russia Today) is a Russian state-run 24/7 English-language Ministry of propaganda news channel launched in December 2005. The network aims to present the world with a Russian point of view and "become Russia's version of the BBC",[3] but comes off like a state-sponsored Fox News for the tankie demographic, prone to coverage slanted against "the West" in general and the United States in particular, and indulging in conspiracy theories and other fringe beliefs. The European Parliament has termed it "[an instrument of] international soft power" and "Russia's main international media weapon".[4]Last edited by Dinner; December 6, 2015, 11:04.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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"It was my first job and I feel embarrassed and ashamed." An inside look at what it's like to work at the Kremlin-funded media outlet.
A great read with lots of testimony from former employees who quit because of the just absolute propaganda bull ****. Like being told to run stories claiming Germany was a failed state and about to collapse because Putin was mad at them for condemning his invasions of the Ukraine. Really, read the link and learn how Ellestar's favored sources really work.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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And that's for you, my reality-denying insane friend: http://www.hngn.com/articles/133896/...-provinces.htm
Is United Nations Report that says about ISIS has presence in 25 Afghan provinces also happens to be Putin's propaganda bull****?Knowledge is Power
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Originally posted by Ellestar View Post"Evil dictators" were overthrown by the West, and Daesh was put in charge. Aaaand Western population still buys it anyway, i mean, every brainwashed idiot still supports an idea to overthrow Assad. Like an examples in Lybia, Syria and Afghanistan weren't enough. Seriously, how can you possibly not realize that you're brainwashed idiots?
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There is a difference in learning from history (even recent history) and not.
It is pretty clear today that Iraq would have been better off under Saddam, than this post invasion chaos.
This is very, very clear in Libya. Yet the western governments and "well meaning" people want to do the same again in Syria.
Thankfully they did not want to do the same in Egypt, so another secular dictator was accepted to take control of that country. Some places in the world need a strong ruler, and have to be left to develop under him until they are ready for change to take place.
In Iraq we learned nothing, and that is not the government, as they know very well the consequences, and are oblivious of them, millions of dead are "OK" as long they do not travel across the sea and start living in their own constituencies.
It is the citizens who learn - nothing - and vote the same old, same old into office again and again.Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"
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exactly. disastrous failures in afghanistan, iraq and libya, and yet we're going back for more.
we go in, dropping bombs, ruin whole countries and societies and then are astonished when bombs start going off in european cities."The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
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Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave View PostThere is a difference in learning from history (even recent history) and not.
It is pretty clear today that Iraq would have been better off under Saddam, than this post invasion chaos.
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Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave View PostIt is pretty clear today that Iraq would have been better off under Saddam, than this post invasion chaos.
Saddam wasn't organic in any case. What Saddam would have done unopposed/unsupported by the West is not clear at all.
Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave View PostSome places in the world need a strong ruler, and have to be left to develop under him until they are ready for change to take place.
That doesn't mean we should return to feudalism. Despots are always the first problem that needs to be solved.
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So, anyway, most of these groups which declare loyalty to ISIS aren't under the command of ISIS. What they are is local Islamic militants who want to become more famous and tie themselves to a brand name. The Atlantic Magazine did a great in depth report on this a while back and so did the BBC.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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If people are interested in reality then PBS's Frontline did an excellent long format piece of journalism on this very topic three weeks ago. Most of them are break away parts of the Taliban who lost out in a power struggle or got forced out by Pakistani Intelligence (who finances most Taliban activities), they are small in numbers but growing mainly due to the fact that ISIS pays them a salary of $700 a month which is a lot in Aghanistan. The money comedy from oil sales, looted antiquities, taxes on people, and from "charities" (front groups for terrorism) in the gulf especially from Saudi Arabia.
Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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