Watching the fleet sail by. The US set to say f* you to China and sail within the 12 mile limit of these new islands

[kentonio]

Since when did we project power in China?

You mean apart from little things like guaranteeing Taiwan's independence?

[Aeson]

You're trying to have a different argument to the one MWHC initially started. The problem being that I doubt anyone would actually disagree with the argument you're trying to have. Which makes me wonder why you're trying to have it.

MHWC didn't say the US Navy would abandon the South China Sea to one ship. The scenario was the one ship the US is saying it will send (which obviously won't be the only ship in the Pacific fleet) within the 12 miles of one of the islands. And that somehow the Chinese lost their minds and tried to blockade it. And that somehow they were able to block it in. And that the US was insane enough to try to blast their way out. And in that scenario, the results would likely be what MWHC said ... a bunch of sunken Chinese ships.

China responding from the mainland to that incident would take time and would have to go through the rest of the US naval presence in the South China Sea to get there. (Thus the part which is the larger scale conflict.) Pretending it's one ship against the entire Chinese military is changing the scenario dramatically. Just like you (and China) are trying to change the Spratly Islands to "right off China's coastline".

[kentonio]

MHWC didn't say the US Navy would abandon the South China Sea to one ship. The scenario was the one ship the US is saying it will send (which obviously won't be the only ship in the Pacific fleet) within the 12 miles of one of the islands. And that somehow the Chinese lost their minds and tried to blockade it. And that somehow they were able to block it in. And that the US was insane enough to try to blast their way out. And in that scenario, the results would likely be what MWHC said ... a bunch of sunken Chinese ships.

China responding from the mainland to that incident would take time and would have to go through the rest of the US naval presence in the South China Sea to get there. (Thus the part which is the larger scale conflict.) Pretending it's one ship against the entire Chinese military is changing the scenario dramatically. Just like you (and China) are trying to change the Spratly Islands to "right off China's coastline".

Well no, you're trying to make his latest nationalistic drunken ramble sound far more coherent than it actually was. Then again you did remind me in the process that you bore me really badly. So I'm going to stop replying to you now, and you can do your normal 'Ha, in the face of my thousand word reply, you are blinded by my superior intellect!" thing. It never stops being funny.

[ZEE]

Aeson is the owner of this goddamned site and I will NOT tolerate this slanderous behavior. If corrective measures are not taken to control your attitudes toward him then I will have no choice but to start banning people.

Don't make me do it.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

China kinda slipped up here. And it will be interesting to see what happens. This is where the US did good...

Pentagon officials said late Thursday that the five Chinese navy ships had passed through U.S. territorial waters as they transited the Aleutian Islands, but said they had complied with international law and didn’t do anything threatening. The US never contacted any those ships. Many ships take this route just like in the south china sea. And they all end up within 12 miles of US/China land.


It's basically this:

Innocent passage is a concept in law of the sea which allows for a vessel to pass through the territorial waters of another state subject to certain restrictions. The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea defines innocent passage as:

Passage is innocent so long as it is not prejudicial to the peace, good order or security of the coastal State. Such passage shall take place in conformity with this Convention and with other rules of international law.[1]


So, now China needs to return the nice behavior or they are playing a double standard. They have sort of in a way, invited the US into their own backyard by transiting the Aleutian Islands with their warships.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

The US Navy will laser those missiles right out of the air faster than China can launch them. The US Navy has already done several demos to the world. This sort of makes those real fast carrier killer missiles flying turtles.

China should just do nothing. Let the fleet sail by. China can always say "The US ships were not doing anything threatening", and the US was just as reasonable when China's mighty fleet navigated US waters months ago".

Yeah, one nice weaponized cruiser with a couple of attack subs nearby along with several navy aircraft up. yeah, it could and would blast it's way out of any china blockade.

[Bereta_Eder]

ah crap. I should have bought chinese uranium stocks /pchang

[The Warlord]

Watch as your central authority of government fails you. Unforeseen my subnational area of control will be more powerful than your failed states. An aggressive regional leader will commission the loyal and courageous to follow uncritically. I do not anticipate understanding at present. Time will authoritatively determine who has been morally pure in Gods eyes. Compassion and mercy will be nothing more but a fragment of the past for those who have failed to attain.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

I guess you can always follow up that rant with a good old beheading.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

I have a feeling ISISI would love to behead the likes of MWHC

[Aeson]

Well no, you're trying to make his latest nationalistic drunken ramble sound far more coherent than it actually was.

No, it's just more coherent than you were being. MWHC was being hyperbolic nationalist, but was still closer to the truth than you. Because he seems to at least understand the basic geography and had a better estimate of the force allocations involved.

Then again you did remind me in the process that you bore me really badly.

You must be pretty stupid to have forgotten since last time.

So I'm going to stop replying to you now

No, you are going to stop replying to me at some point after you wrote that. At least until the next time you decide on being wrong, getting bored with being shown how you are wrong, and running away.

It never stops being funny.

It's good you can find amusement when you're running away from the discussion you're losing. Win/win.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

"drunken ramble"

I call it like I see it - so, what will you call it when I be completely correct - and yes, it will be some insane captain (US or China) because there are a lot of them. when you mix that many in a region with all the fire power. yep. someone is going to say fock it.

and that person just might get a big old promotion for it too. side does not matter. it's just going to happen.

[kentonio]

No, it's just more coherent than you were being. MWHC was being hyperbolic nationalist, but was still closer to the truth than you. Because he seems to at least understand the basic geography and had a better estimate of the force allocations involved.

Except that wasn't what he said at all, you pompous *******.

You must be pretty stupid to have forgotten since last time.

You're about 1/10th as clever as you imagine you are, seriously every time it's like watching a smug 12 year old pontificating about whatever crap they just read a book about. You write boring, over long essays trying to twist any little comment someone makes without any broader understanding of either the issues or the context. You're not only tedious but you're also intellectually dishonest, and that makes you both insufferable and an *******.

No, you are going to stop replying to me at some point after you wrote that. At least until the next time you decide on being wrong, getting bored with being shown how you are wrong, and running away.

Oh I'd forgotten about the famous 'running away'. I guess you must be used to people 'running away' once you start talking now, it happens often enough. Was that what you tell yourself in real life too, when you start to talk and people glaze over and start to leave?

It's good you can find amusement when you're running away from the discussion you're losing. Win/win.

The funny part is that you jumped in to tell me what MWHC was actually saying, despite MWHC actually being here and (mostly) being more than capable of speaking for himself. You were so ****ing arrogant (yet again) that you decided you needed to step in and appoint yourself as his translator.

Get over yourself, seriously.

[NICE MOBIUS]

This thread is about stupid, expensive and dangerous dick-waving.

We're in the 21st century, and no one of any consequence has learned anything. SOS.

[Aeson]

I must be imagining things. I see a kentonio post addressed to me just after he had posted he wasn't going to respond to me anymore.

The simple facts are the Spratly Islands aren't just off China's coast. China has little to no real military presence there. The US is able to project more military power there than anyone else (thus China's need to set up permanent bases there). A single ship sailing past one of the man-made islands doesn't mean the entire US Navy has abandoned the South China Sea. It just means there's only one ship within 12 miles of the island.