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  • Afghanistan: US Airstrike Hits Kunduz Hospital

    Originally posted by Human Rights Watch
    Afghanistan: US Airstrike Hits Kunduz Hospital

    (New York) – US airstrikes hit a Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan, raising grave concerns about whether US forces took sufficient precautions to identify and avoid striking the facility, Human Rights Watch said today.

    The hospital was hit several times in the early morning of October 3, 2015, during sustained bombing that was apparently aimed at insurgent forces in the vicinity. At least 9 medical staff were killed and 37 critically injured. The hospital was treating 105 patients at the time of the attack.

    “The bombing of the hospital is a shocking development for Kunduz, where civilians and aid workers are already at grave risk from the fighting,” said Patricia Gossman, senior Afghanistan researcher at Human Rights Watch. “All forces are obligated to do their utmost to avoid causing civilian harm.”

    Afghan police in Kunduz have asserted that Taliban fighters were firing from the hospital. If that were in fact the case, it would have been an unlawful use of the hospital by Taliban forces. However, given the hospital's protected status and the large numbers of civilians and medical personnel in the facility, attacking the hospital would still likely have been an unlawfully disproportionate attack, causing greater harm to civilians and civilian structures than any immediate military gain. In addition, the laws of war require that even if military forces misuse a hospital to deploy able-bodied combatants or weapons, the attacking force must issue a warning to cease this misuse, setting a reasonable time limit for it to end, and attacking only after such a warning has gone unheeded.

    The location of the MSF medical facility had been communicated to all parties, including US forces, months before the present fighting in Kunduz began. According to MSF the bombing continued for 30 minutes after US and Afghan military officials in Kabul and Washington had been informed of the first attack’s proximity to the hospital. The failure of US forces to stop an attack striking a hospital strongly suggests the forces may have violated the laws of war in identifying risks to civilians and civilian objects and in the weapons used or conduct of the military operation.

    Human Rights Watch called for an impartial, thorough and transparent investigation into the incident to establish the circumstances of the attack, and urged the US to review its targeting procedures to ensure such incidents do not reoccur.

    A spokesman for US forces in Afghanistan, Col. Brian Tribus stated that “individuals threatening the force” were the target of the strike that took place at 2:15 a.m., and that the strike “may have resulted in collateral damage to a nearby medical facility.” He said that the incident was under investigation.

    International humanitarian law, or the laws of war, applies to all sides in the fighting in Afghanistan. The laws of war require that the parties to a conflict take constant care during military operations to spare the civilian population and to “take all feasible precautions” to avoid or minimize the incidental loss of civilian life and damage to civilian objects. Hospitals have special protections under the laws of war such that parties need to take additional precautions to avoid subjecting them to the risk of attack.

    The MSF hospital is the only facility of its kind in northeast Afghanistan. Since fighting broke out in Kunduz on September 27, its staff had treated nearly 400 wounded, most of them civilians with gunshot injuries.

    Human Rights Watch conveyed its heartfelt condolences to the families and loved ones of the hospital workers killed in the attack. “Our thoughts are with the families and loved ones of the MSF colleagues who lost their lives trying to help others in Afghanistan,” said Gossman.
    http://www.hrw.org/news/2015/10/03/a...unduz-hospital

    Oh ****.

  • #2
    The Russians need to stop their actions in Syria if mistakes like this are to be avoided.
    One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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    • #3
      Jeb put it best with "stuff happens".

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      • #4
        That's not "best" by any stretch.
        No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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        • #5
          Well, even if the Taliban used the hospital as a firing position,
          according to the geneva conventions the US would have been required to announce the attack

          Art. 19. The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit and after such warning has remained unheeded.


          Hope it will lead to harsh consequences to all who were involved in orderfing and commencing the attack
          (although I guess, as usual, they will just punish some lower ranking soldiers and let the higher ranking commanders involved in the attack go unpunished)
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          • #6
            Horrible (description of one of the nurses inside the hospital during the attack)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post
              Well, even if the Taliban used the hospital as a firing position,
              according to the geneva conventions the US would have been required to announce the attack





              Hope it will lead to harsh consequences to all who were involved in orderfing and commencing the attack
              (although I guess, as usual, they will just punish some lower ranking soldiers and let the higher ranking commanders involved in the attack go unpunished)
              You honestly think they bombed the hospital on purpose?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
                You honestly think they bombed the hospital on purpose?
                I hope they didn´t ... but I think they bombed the hospital carelessly without prior checking whether its status (as a non-target).

                I think there were 2 layers of grave incompetence ... by the ground team which accidentally painted the hospital ...
                and by the team at mission control which didn´t check whether the building is a valid target

                And I hope the people responsible for this suffer severe consequences, like dishonorable discharge or the like ...
                those are things that should happen under no circumstances
                (especially as the coordinates of the hospital had been clearly communicatd to them)
                Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
                  You honestly think they bombed the hospital on purpose?
                  ...

                  The location of the MSF medical facility had been communicated to all parties, including US forces, months before the present fighting in Kunduz began. According to MSF the bombing continued for 30 minutes after US and Afghan military officials in Kabul and Washington had been informed of the first attack’s proximity to the hospital.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post
                    I hope they didn´t ... but I think they bombed the hospital carelessly without prior checking whether its status (as a non-target).

                    I think there were 2 layers of grave incompetence ... by the ground team which accidentally painted the hospital ...
                    and by the team at mission control which didn´t check whether the building is a valid target

                    And I hope the people responsible for this suffer severe consequences, like dishonorable discharge or the like ...
                    those are things that should happen under no circumstances
                    (especially as the coordinates of the hospital had been clearly communicatd to them)
                    You know the bad guys are going in and out of the hospital, right? This is obviously a mishap. There's no reason to think otherwise. A hospital was bombed, certainly isn't a reason.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                      ...
                      Ok. That obviously means something to you.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
                        You know the bad guys are going in and out of the hospital, right? This is obviously a mishap. There's no reason to think otherwise. A hospital was bombed, certainly isn't a reason.
                        Which is denied by the hospital staff ... which claim that the hospital had its doors closed for the night and there were no Taliban there.

                        And even if there had been Taliban in the hospital, the geneva conventions clearly state that in this case Hospitals have to be given a prior warning before any attack
                        Geneva conventions Art. 18:
                        Art. 18. Civilian hospitals organized to give care to the wounded and sick, the infirm and maternity cases, may in no circumstances be the object of attack but shall at all times be respected and protected by the Parties to the conflict. ...
                        and Art. 19
                        Art. 19. The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit and after such warning has remained unheeded. ...
                        Also in article 19 you can find the passage that treating enemies is no reason to consider a hospital a valid target of an attack:

                        ...
                        The fact that sick or wounded members of the armed forces are nursed in these hospitals, or the presence of small arms and ammunition taken from such combatants and not yet been handed to the proper service, shall not be considered to be acts harmful to the enemy.


                        https://www.icrc.org/ihl/385ec082b509e76c41256739003e636d/6756482d86146898c125641e004aa3c5


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                        • #13
                          What I'm saying I that the hospital wasn't targeted. If it was I'm pretty sure it wasn't a decision that was made higher up, but a decision that was made in the heat of battle.
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                          • #14
                            It says in the article that Afghan police said the enemy was firing from the hospital.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
                              What I'm saying I that the hospital wasn't targeted. If it was I'm pretty sure it wasn't a decision that was made higher up, but a decision that was made in the heat of battle.
                              As I said ... I also think that it was "just" gross incompetence ...
                              which nevertheless should have the gravest consequences for those responsible ...
                              especially as, as Kentonio already said, it wasn´t a single bomb but rather several attack runs over the duration of half an hour ..
                              and which were commenced despite the fact that the hospital manager, after the first bomb, called the US and Afghanistan military in order to tell them about it and, once again, transmit the coordinates of the hospital.
                              Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                              Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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