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[Proteus_MST]

Isn´t a big surprise IMHO ...
it is an open secret here in europe that, without the don´t ask don´t tell policy of the environmental agencies with regards to the test procedures,
not a single Diesel car would have passed the strict european environmental laws.

I guess if they really introduce the demand for tests under real conditions, the Diesel-Market is most probably dead

[notyoueither]

http://news.boldride.com/2015/09/bmw...selgate/90439/

I just read this article and if it's true it may answer this question - Why couldn't the other manufacturers figure out VW was cheating when they reversed engineered their engines?
It says that BMW, Diamler and GM may all have defeat devices in their diesel cars.

I have no doubt about it. It's been top of mind since this broke. What happens when they test Dodge's 'Eco' diesels? They get great mileage, but how?

I think the smugness only applies to people driving a diesel coupe or sedan. If you're driving a diesel truck, you're either rolling coal or wish you were.

Only *******s roll coal, and I wish local enforcement would adapt to it and seize vehicles belonging to said *******s. Seriously. People die from the **** that tail pipe pumps out. Only *******s roll coal.

The Guardian has found that VW has a little bit of company because Mercedes-Benz, Honda, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Renault, Nissan, Hyundai, Citroen, Fiat, Volvo and Jeep all have diesel vehicles that release NOx than previously thought.

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...-emissions-row

Well, duh!

Isn´t a big surprise IMHO ...
it is an open secret here in europe that, without the don´t ask don´t tell policy of the environmental agencies with regards to the test procedures,
not a single Diesel car would have passed the strict european environmental laws.

I guess if they really introduce the demand for tests under real conditions, the Diesel-Market is most probably dead

Well OK then, I guess that'll deflate the value of damages in those parts, right?

[Proteus_MST]

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Well OK then, I guess that'll deflate the value of damages in those parts, right?

Well, the whole size of the affair will surely turn it into a politically very delicate matter.
I am sure that not a single of those states whose car industry is involved in the affair will want top have its car industry destroyed (and this includes the USA with GM).
Therefore I think that it´ll end with some kind of grandfather act, which allows all Diesels that were produced and sold prior to the affair, to continue their operation.
I also guess that it´ll end in the introduction of harsher test procedures while at the same time relaxing the environmental standards, Diesels have to obey (so that car manufacturers will still be able to produce Diesels that adhere to those standards ... albeit most probably having a worse performance than their cheater engines)

[The Mad Monk]

I think the smugness only applies to people driving a diesel coupe or sedan. If you're driving a diesel truck, you're either rolling coal or wish you were.

Only *******s roll coal, and I wish local enforcement would adapt to it and seize vehicles belonging to said *******s. Seriously. People die from the **** that tail pipe pumps out. Only *******s roll coal.

Damn straight.

I don't own a diesel truck, but I've been looking at buying one since forever. Please don't lump us in with the goons who roll coal.

[korn469]

Well, the whole size of the affair will surely turn it into a politically very delicate matter.
I am sure that not a single of those states whose car industry is involved in the affair will want top have its car industry destroyed (and this includes the USA with GM).
Therefore I think that it´ll end with some kind of grandfather act, which allows all Diesels that were produced and sold prior to the affair, to continue their operation.
I also guess that it´ll end in the introduction of harsher test procedures while at the same time relaxing the environmental standards, Diesels have to obey (so that car manufacturers will still be able to produce Diesels that adhere to those standards ... albeit most probably having a worse performance than their cheater engines)

I think you're right. Originally, when I thought other were strictly complying with regulations and it was VW alone that was cheating the system I thought they would receive a large penalty in the billions and be a possible takeover target. Now, it appears that every major light automotive diesel manufacturer build cars that mostly don't comply with the regulations, while VW alone went a step further and added a defeat device. So now I think that none of the other car makers will have any fines, and VWs fine may now range from 300 million to maybe 2 billion USD at the very most, due to willfully trying to deceive regulators.

In the long run, I think Europe loses much of its enthusiasm for small diesel vehicles and increases regulations on diesel vehicles. In the US diesel market for small diesel vehicles stays small and probably shrinks. Worldwide long term growth of hybrids and electric vehicles increases due to less competition from diesel engines. Though I don't think diesel engines on vehicles 10,000lb/4500kg or larger are going away anytime soon.

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