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Bad."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi -
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aside from the usual reasons also,
because they were a huge factor in the downfall of the byzantine empireTamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"Comment
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Good or bad for whom?To The Hijack Police: I don't know what you are talking about. I didn't do it. I wasn't there. I don't even own a computer.Comment
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good. they put the heathen muslims and schismatic greeks to the sword!"The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de BottonComment
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Moronically simplistic poll. As a protest, I will continue the discussion in the other thread.
Well, that, and Imran already replied there and stuff.Comment
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Just vote "good", you know you want to.
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Voted "good," though not good for the people of the time. The European exposure to the much older, sophisticated, and more intellectual eastern cultures started a process of synthesis that created the modern world.The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty…we will be remembered in spite of ourselves… The fiery trial through which we pass, will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the last generation… We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth.
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You don't know what the alternative would have been, though. Maybe our history is the worst of different alternatives without the crusades. Many would argue against your 'modern world' as one of imperialism, colonialism, and oppression.Originally posted by grumbler View Post"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben KenobiComment
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True, but, then, they would be arguing against change. By the time of the Crusades, even the Islamic world had become more static and status-quo-oriented (and would continue to become more so under the Ottomans), and there weren't any dynamic cultures of any size in the rest of Eurasia or Africa. The ancient world is full of examples of imperialism, colonialism, and oppression, so you can't choose between worlds that had those features and worlds that didn't. The difference would be that the average lifespan today would be 35 years, and the main occupation subsistence farming.Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View PostThe dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty…we will be remembered in spite of ourselves… The fiery trial through which we pass, will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the last generation… We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth.
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Good.
You think if it hadn't been for the Crusades that noble asshats would have just decided not to kill, rape, and plunder? Of course they would have just killed, raped, and plundered someone else for some other "reason". The main effect being the Renaissance probably would have been delayed, if not outright cancelled. Meaning we are likely to have been born into pre-industrial times. That is, those of us that were born, most (if not all) of us would never have existed. Even if somehow we managed to avoid this fate and there was no significant technological/ancestry impact, the chances of Hitler having conquered the world would have been greater.
So if you're against the crusades, you must be for Hitler ruling the world.
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Crusader Rabbit: GoodTo The Hijack Police: I don't know what you are talking about. I didn't do it. I wasn't there. I don't even own a computer.Comment
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At 5/1/2, Crusaders dominated the battlefield for centuries which made them an excellent tool for rolling over the AI.
So I've got to go with "good".
Libraries are state sanctioned, so they're technically engaged in privateering. - Felch
I thought we're trying to have a serious discussion? It says serious in the thread title!- Al. B. SureComment
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what the **** does it matter?To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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The Cleveland Crusaders haven't played since the mid 70s. ...and they weren't very good.There's nothing wrong with the dream, my friend, the problem lies with the dreamer.Comment
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