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    Chemists discover a way to take carbon dioxide from the air and make carbon nanofibres, a valuable manufacturing material.


    Scientists in the US have found a way to take carbon dioxide (CO2) from the air and make carbon nanofibres, a valuable manufacturing material.

    Their solar-powered system runs a small current through a tank filled with a hot, molten salt; the fluid absorbs atmospheric CO2 and tiny carbon fibres slowly form at one of the electrodes.

    It currently produces 10g per hour.

    The team says it can be "scaled up" and could have an impact on CO2 emissions, but other researchers are unsure.

    Nonetheless, the approach offers a much cheaper way of making carbon nanofibres than existing methods, according to Prof Stuart Licht of George Washington University.

    "Until now, carbon nanofibres have been too expensive for many applications," he told journalists at the autumn meeting of the American Chemical Society in Boston.

    Carbon nanofibres are already used in high-end applications such as electronic components and batteries, and if costs came down they could be used more extensively - improving the strong, lightweight carbon composites used in aircraft and car components, for example.

    The question is whether the "one-pot" reaction demonstrated by Prof Licht and his team could help to drop that cost.

    At the moment 10g of nanofibres - like this sample Dr Licht brought to the conference - can be made per hour

    The idea of turning CO2 from the air into useful products is a popular one, and the field is strewn with many more unfulfilled promises than success stories.

    But Prof Licht is confident his design can succeed. "It scales up very easily - the entire process is quite low energy."

    He also suggested that the system could provide "a reasonable path to bring down CO2 levels in the atmosphere".

    This would involve adopting the reactors on a colossal scale and the idea has raised some eyebrows.

    Dr Katy Armstrong, a chemical engineer at the University of Sheffield, said the process was "promising and very interesting on a lab scale" but that Prof Licht's bigger vision might be problematic.

    "As they are capturing CO2 from the air, the process will need to deal with huge volumes of gas to collect the required amount of carbon, which could increase process costs when scaled up," she told the BBC.

    The carbon nanofibres gradually build up on one of the device's electrodes

    Dr Paul Fennell, a chemical engineer and clean energy researcher at Imperial College London, said: "If they can make carbon nanofibres, that is a laudable aim and they're a worthwhile product to have.

    "But if your idea is to take CO2 out of the atmosphere and produce so many carbon nanofibres that you make a difference to climate change - I'd be extremely surprised if you could do that."

    Prof Licht insists it is worth trying.

    "There aren't any catches; there's a necessity to work together, to test this on a larger scale, to apply some societal resources to do that," he told BBC News.

    Meanwhile, other chemists were impressed by the simple fact that Prof Licht's team had produced nanofibres from atmospheric carbon.

    Dr Dario Corradini was also at the American Chemical Society meeting, presenting his theoretical work on absorbing CO2 with a similar type of electrochemical cell.

    "These cells are relatively inexpensive in terms of energy consumption - it's definitely a realistic approach to producing the nanofibres," he said.
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    Technology

    Now we need to try and convince our green oracles who know it all (TM)
    "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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    • #3
      while it's certainly good news that carbon nanofibres can be produced more cheaply and easily, one gets the impression that the wider impacts talked about are likely to be a case of the inventor(s) getting a little overexcited about what they've come up with.
      Last edited by C0ckney; August 20, 2015, 13:20.
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      • #4
        Yeah, it sounds like this could contribute to an overall solution, but I wouldn't get too excited just yet.
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        • #5
          Global CO2 emissions are on the order of 33 million kilotons per year. Of these, ~27% correspond to molecular carbon, so roughly 9 million kt per year. Say you sequester 1‰ of carbon emissions using this method, that's 9 million tons per year, or roughly 25000 tons of carbon nanotubes per day.
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          • #6
            also,

            Their solar-powered system runs a small current through a tank filled with a hot, molten salt;
            There's also the energy costs of melting that salt and keeping it molten...
            Indifference is Bliss

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            • #7
              Originally posted by N35t0r View Post
              also,



              There's also the energy costs of melting that salt and keeping it molten...
              the sun - so to "scale" this up requires a massive new solar farm $$. they have some out west. not money makers.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by N35t0r View Post
                There's also the energy costs of melting that salt and keeping it molten...
                I'll bet that those carbon nanotubes burns finely so they could keep that salt molten
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                • #9
                  The 'molten salt' tank sits on top of the tower. I will stay hot all night.

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                  • #10
                    If so, then using all that power to replace fossil fuels instead of powering this method will have a larger impact...
                    Indifference is Bliss

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                    • #11
                      This solution is no fun. The whole point of global warming is to force people to change their behavior!
                      “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

                      ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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                      • #12
                        that's right, climate change is a conspiracy against capitalism.
                        "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by pchang View Post
                          This solution is no fun. The whole point of global warming is to force people to change their behavior!
                          not really... fusion wiould be free power and fresh water to all. only bad behavior can come from that, but it would solve GW. OVernight!

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                          • #14
                            If this works, I hope we can make insulation and food out of carbon nanofibers.

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                            • #15
                              Can these fibers be used to kill a lot of people? Better yet, could they theoretically be put together in a really expensive configuration that could kill a lot of people in a really spiffy way, and would the design process for that configuration take a lot of time and money? If the answer is yes, America will foot the bill. Even if it turns out halfway through that the process is unworkable, we will totally pay for it.
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