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  • Wales' Greatest Achievement: The United States of America!

    America: named after Welshman Richard ap Meryk, Anglicised to Richard Amerike (or Ameryk).

    America's Flag: one could say based on what are a distinctive and unusual coat of arms of the same guy.

    Almost 50% of the Signatories of American Independence and the constitution were Welsh.

    At least 9 US presidents are of Welsh descent, including, arguably, three of the most iconic and influential: Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson Davis and Abraham Lincoln.

    US President John Adams (Welsh) was the principle author of the revolutionary declaration of American independence, with the guidance of Richard Price, a Welsh philosopher and political progressive.

    All men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
    Yeah, that's Welsh.

    Jefferson Davis (oh yeah, he's Welsh) was the only Confederate president.

    So technically with Abraham Lincoln, the American War of Independence was really Wales Vs Wales.

    "Fy iaith, fy ngwlad, fy nghenedl Cymru – Cymru am byth” (My language, my land, my nation of Wales – Wales forever)
    Yep, that's in the Washington momument thanks to Lincoln.

    Robert Morris (Welsh) financed the American revolution against the English, was also one of the signatories of the declaration of independence and also wrote the final draft of the Constitution of the United States.

    The Welsh were disproportionately represented in the Revolutionary Army. Who better to fight the English?

    Pennsylvania (originally called New Wales, and regarded as the cradle of the new American nation) and Rhode island were founded by Welshmen. The American declaration of Independence from the English monarchy colonial rule was written and declared by the founding fathers in 1774, the Articles of Confederation, and later the Constitution of the United States of America itself – all written in Pennsylvania. Also all conceived, written and drafted by Welshmen!

    Chief Justice of the United States and father of American constitutional law? John Marshall, yep, Welsh.

    What do Yale, Princeton, Brown, William and Mary, Virginia, John Hopkins, Andover and Bryn Mawr have in common? All founded by Welshmen. Samuel Adams, another of the signatories of the declaration of independence, was only the co-founder of Harvard university.

    The Welsh society of Philadelphia is the oldest ethnic organisation of its kind in America. The following plaque is mounted on Philadelphia City Hall:

    “Perpetuating the Welsh heritage, and commemorating the vision and virtue of the following Welsh patriots in the founding of the City, Commonwealth, and Nation: William Penn, 1644-1718, proclaimed freedom of religion and planned New Wales later named Pennsylvania. Thomas Jefferson, 1743-1826, third President of the United States, composed the Declaration of Independence. Robert Morris, 1734-1806, foremost financier of the American Revolutionand signer of the Declaration of Independence. Governor Morris, 1752-1816, wrote the final draft of the Constitution of the United States. John Marshall, 1755-1835, Chief Justice of the United States and father of American constitutional law”

    In short, the Welsh finally won independence from the tyranny of the English, just that they did it in America and not back here...

    Discuss.
    "Aha, you must have supported the Iraq war and wear underpants made out of firearms, just like every other American!" Loinburger

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    Oh crap, maybe America's rampant gun culture is the fault of the Welsh...?
    "Aha, you must have supported the Iraq war and wear underpants made out of firearms, just like every other American!" Loinburger

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    • #3
      Originally posted by I AM MOBIUS
      hall I continue with my 'America is full of idiots' assertion?
      Libraries are state sanctioned, so they're technically engaged in privateering. - Felch
      I thought we're trying to have a serious discussion? It says serious in the thread title!- Al. B. Sure

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      • #4
        The American experiment was started by the Welsh, unfortunately we got hopelessly outnumbered and lost our influence in the mean time...
        "Aha, you must have supported the Iraq war and wear underpants made out of firearms, just like every other American!" Loinburger

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        • #5
          America: named after Welshman Richard ap Meryk, Anglicised to Richard Amerike (or Ameryk).
          Lies, I say Lies.

          As an Italian, I take offense of that heinous lie. You're worse than Hillary.
          It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
          RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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          • #6
            Wow - all these amazing achievements by the Welsh that nobody knows about....

            The Irish and Scots have similar lists...
            Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

            Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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            • #7
              By his own title, he admits that the USA > Wales.

              I guess his delusions of grandeur have been cured. Congratulations!
              “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

              ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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              • #8
                Originally posted by rah View Post
                Lies, I say Lies.

                As an Italian, I take offense of that heinous lie. You're worse than Hillary.
                The famous explorer John Cabot, AKA Giovanni Cabot, was Italian, and was employed by Richard Amerike.

                He was the guy who named America after him, though there is conjecture that it was already named after him as it was already known about by people in his employ.

                So it was a Welsh/Italian collaboration.
                "Aha, you must have supported the Iraq war and wear underpants made out of firearms, just like every other American!" Loinburger

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by pchang View Post
                  By his own title, he admits that the USA > Wales.

                  I guess his delusions of grandeur have been cured. Congratulations!
                  The USA, as it is now, could never have existed without the Welsh.

                  It's just a damned pity it's been allowed to go off course...
                  "Aha, you must have supported the Iraq war and wear underpants made out of firearms, just like every other American!" Loinburger

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                  • #10
                    America was named after Amerigo Vespucci.

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                    • #11
                      Since when did anything get named after a person's first name, unless they're royalty?

                      Surely it should be called 'Vespuccia', and the 'United States of Vespuccia'...

                      Oh, and if they were going to go with Vespucci's latinised first name, then why not 'Albericus', which had already been used for his first name as the author of 'Mundus Novus'...?

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                      Mundus Novus: Letter to Lorenzo Pietro di Medici. George Tyler Northup, trans. (Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 1916), 1. Read more about: Mundus Novus (1503), Page 1


                      Not to mention the fact that people in Bristol were already calling America America a full decade before Waldseemuller's map, which also happens to be before Vespucci's expedition to the already named Americas...

                      For all those reasons, America was not named after Vespucci...
                      "Aha, you must have supported the Iraq war and wear underpants made out of firearms, just like every other American!" Loinburger

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                      • #12
                        Not that Wiki is the authority but they claim otherwise.



                        Amerigo Vespucci (Italian pronunciation: [ameˈriːɡo vesˈputtʃi]; March 9, 1454 – February 22, 1512) was an Italian explorer, financier, navigator and cartographer who first demonstrated that Brazil and the West Indies did not represent Asia's eastern outskirts as initially conjectured from Columbus' voyages, but instead constituted an entirely separate landmass hitherto unknown to Afro-Eurasians. Colloquially referred to as the New World, this second super continent came to be termed "America", deriving its name from Americus, the Latin version of Vespucci's first name.[1][2]
                        It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                        RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                        • #13
                          Yeah, well I'll go with the version of his latinised name (Albericus) on a book he published over an entry in wikipedia every time!

                          http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/...vr7001mets.xml

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                          First published in 1503 (six whole years after John Cabot's expedition), this one 1504.

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                          Last edited by I AM MOBIUS; July 29, 2015, 08:57.
                          "Aha, you must have supported the Iraq war and wear underpants made out of firearms, just like every other American!" Loinburger

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                          • #14
                            The wiki version is the one we were taught in school, so I never heard your version.
                            It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                            RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                            • #15
                              But now you have properly educated, with actual proof!

                              And creationism is taught in many public schools across the US, does that make it correct too...?
                              "Aha, you must have supported the Iraq war and wear underpants made out of firearms, just like every other American!" Loinburger

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