Your gun laws are a mistake: National Rifle Association to Australia

[Alexander's Horse]

Dunno, last year - once you file these things they are usually forgotten.

[Dinner]

Lying is what the NRA does. It is what they have always done.

[MOBIUS]

This is the real problem America is grappling with - and I really feel for you all on that. No easy answers at all.

Nothing like this is ever too late, it might just take a really long time is all...

But then, the NRA seems to have already won the war by making rank and file Americans think that there's no point.

All you need is a bit of resolve and to start chipping away at the edges, such as stopping crazies from easily getting permits, really cracking down on the crooked gunshop owners - all the stuff that your average American would support...

What needs to change is America's warped culture towards guns and this will take a long time through a long series of gradual and incremental steps.

Australia should be the US' roadmap - no wonder the NRA feel so threatened by what has happened in that country...

[rah]

Nobody noticed - which says it all really about these plans like OH&S and the Fire Plan that management people have to produce or sign off on. I spend as little time on them as possible.

They've used it in the US to raise the visibility of emergency planning. It was actually effective based on what I remember. (the fact that I remembered is something on it's own)

[regexcellent]

The Supreme Court could always step in when somebody challenges a gun control law and say that you can only own guns if you're in a militia, which would then limit (legal) firearm ownership to the country's craziest citizens.

Yes, the supreme court could pull **** out of its ass. That's not actually the meaning of the 2nd amendment. In any case that ship has sailed. The supreme court has upheld the right of citizens to own firearms; circuit courts have upheld the right of citizens to carry them. Concealed carry is (nominally) legal in all 50 states, and more or less unrestricted in 43 states (all but Hawaii, California, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts, and Connecticut.)

Also, the NRA could just call itself a militia.

[Alexander's Horse]

They've used it in the US to raise the visibility of emergency planning. It was actually effective based on what I remember. (the fact that I remembered is something on it's own)

Ya I'm getting to the stage where remembering is difficult, although I'm having more difficulty with caring....

[Az]

Being pro gun in spite of the overwhelming evidence of the death and misery it causes, must be one of the most stupid and idiotic stances to take ever...

It's almost as bad as still being a smoker after knowing how stupidly bad it is for you - or living somewhere like Texas...

So, basically Slowwhand - unless he's finally seen the light (not the lighter!) and given up fags.

What overwhelming evidence? Gun ownership rates are inversely correlated with murder rates in the US.

[ricketyclik]

State by state in the US, where guns are freely available in any case, but not country by country, where there are more obstacles to obtaining a gun.

[grumbler]

National -> run by US Army. So, yes and no. A State run militia would eliminate that 2nd Amendment loophole.

The US Army doesn't run the National Guard. The National Guards meet every criterion laid down for the "well-regulated militia" that the Second Amendment was designed to protect (see Federalist Papers #28 and #46). Its officers are appointed by the state governments, and answer to them. They are the state-run militias.

[regexcellent]

The US Army doesn't run the National Guard. The National Guards meet every criterion laid down for the "well-regulated militia" that the Second Amendment was designed to protect (see Federalist Papers #28 and #46). Its officers are appointed by the state governments, and answer to them. They are the state-run militias.

Some states also have a "state defense force" thing. I went to one of their meetings once when I was in ROTC, it was mostly old retired guys whining about Obama and barbecuing. Which admittedly was entertaining

[Sava]

old retired guys whining about Obama and barbecuing

you just described every gun owner ever