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**Gertrude** · June 28, 2015, 06:42

Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post

We also have Iraq as good example ...
not even more than one decade under occupation was enough to create an Iraq that is as stable as it was under Saddam

I doubt there would be the will to sustain such a cost with an outcome being very uncertain. I certainly would not be in favour of another occupation.

I think, or at least hope, liberty and dem,ocracy will spread over the long term. Each country must find its own way, and that way may be long and tortuous.

**Feckan Eejit** · June 28, 2015, 17:09

my travels in North Korea say otherwise

**Dinner** · June 28, 2015, 17:47

Please explain.

**Feckan Eejit** · June 28, 2015, 18:31

It's wealthier than Cork dear

**Alexander's Horse** · June 29, 2015, 04:10

I spent more than two years of my life closely following developments in North Korea from Seoul and I can tell you there is nothing at all to like to about any of the Kim clan, viscious murderers all.

Kim Jong-un has shown already through purges and other cruelty and capricious behaviour that he is just a chip off the old block. He even looks eerily like his grandfather Kim Il-sung at the same age, which probably helps him rule. Murdering the uncle that helped him into power was a very telling act of cold brutality, and surprisingly early in his dictatorship, quickly dispelling rumours he was just a puppet, which probably enraged him and triggered the fraticide.

If the regime really reforms, it falls. The Kims all know that, in spite of whatever window dressing they may put out to gull the international community or relieve internal pressure from time to time.

This latest piece of random visciousness, executing the architect for Pyongyang's new airport, says it all if true

The Story Behind North Korean Capital's Shiny New Airport

http://www.ibtimes.com/north-korea-leader-kim-jong-un-likely-executed-architect-unveiling-shiny-new-1986785

Construction of an international terminal was paused around the same time six government officials disappeared.

Though it has been known in NK for people reported killed to later re-appear. This happened with Kim Jong-un's former mistress.

'Executed' Kim Jong-Un girlfriend reappears on North Korea television

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10837897/Executed-Kim-Jong-Un-girlfriend-reappears-on-North-Korea-television.html

Singer was reported to have been killed by firing squad last year for making a sex tape but has turned up on state TV alive and well

I highly recommend her hit song in North Korea "excellent horse-like Lady" with it's funky techno pop blips.