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  • Totally mechanized infantry

    Do you think human soldiers will be replaced, in whole or in part, by robotic infantry within our lifetimes?

    The advantages of robots are obvious: they have no rights, can be manufactured at will, are much simpler to maintain, are tougher to destroy, perfectly obedient, have no concept of fear, probably react faster, etc. They could probably also work together more seamlessly with each other and with aerial drone support to coordinate attacks. Now, until recently, this was pure science fiction. But an infantryman only needs three basic capabilities:

    1. Ability to make someone die.
    2. Ability to aim 1 accurately.
    3. Ability to move into range and use 1 and 2.

    The technology for 1 exists, and robots could presumptively carry a LOT of ammo. 2 and 3 are current hot topics in AI--pattern recognition and navigation--for (I assume) unrelated reasons. Once the costs drop enough, robots will be a tempting option. Yes, there will be the usual "we can't trust life-or-death decisions to a machine" but IIUC infantry is where they put really dumb recruits and anybody who irritates his CO. You can be borderline mentally retarded, as measured by an ASVAB, and still tote a rifle. There will probably be an intermediate phase where all the bots have to be supervised by a bored guy in a bunker somewhere. Then budget cuts and tech advances will quietly weed out the bored guys until their role is purely nominal.

    The downside of this is that, if technology advances enough, government by consent of the government will start to seem quaint. You won't need a broad segment of the population to support your rule, provided you have the nerds who make and maintain the robots on your side. You tell a robot to liquidate a kindergarten, the robot says, "sure, no problem." But that's the price of progress, I guess.

    Your thoughts?
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  • #2
    There's the old adage that if soldiers aren't dying, the incentive to not war is lower and their might be more or longer wars.

    That has always sounded plausible to me. It wasn't the locals in Vietnam that were dying that forced the end of the war, it was the mounting number of body bags coming home that tipped the scale of public opinion.
    It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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    • #3
      It's hard enough getting computers to recognize cat videos. Getting an AI to differentiate between enemy soldiers and friendly soldiers, or distinguish between enemy soldiers and civilians, and not get tricked by enemy soldiers trying to disguise themselves as civilians or friendly soldiers would probably be a nightmare. Remote controlled robots sound a lot more practical- just find people in first world countries who like to play FPS video games and are willing to kill people living in third world countries and hire them to pilot the robots.

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      • #4
        What gribler said. Also, skynet
        Indifference is Bliss

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Elok View Post
            Do you think human soldiers will be replaced, in whole or in part, by robotic infantry within our lifetimes?
            Only just ...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by giblets View Post
              Remote controlled robots sound a lot more practical- just find people in first world countries who like to play FPS video games and are willing to kill people living in third world countries and hire them to pilot the robots.
              isn't this basically how drones work at present?
              "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

              "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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              • #8
                Yes, I'm talking about infantry drones.

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                • #9
                  Remote control mechanized units would probably be an issue in an urban environment or anywhere else with a lot of **** interfering with the radio signal, plus you wouldn't want a jammer wiping out your entire army - that doesn't completely rule out remote controlled mechanized units, but they'd need a reasonable AI backup for when their remote control is disrupted (e.g. I'm assuming that drones, at least the expensive ones, are at least able to stay aloft if control is disrupted).

                  So, remote-control mechanized units with a ****ty AI backup? Probably within a decade or two. Fully autonomous units? Difficult to say - AI research (in the sense of "mimicking human reasoning," not in the more practical sense of "finding good approximate solutions to intractable problems") hasn't advanced very much since, well, ever. The Mars exploration robots are the best we've come up with (they were too far away for remote control to be practical), and nobody was shooting at them.
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                  • #10
                    That we know of.
                    No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                    • #11
                      [/skynet]
                      Indifference is Bliss

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                      • #12
                        I always wonder how the Drone Pilots deal with the lag
                        Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

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                        • #13
                          They call it 'collateral damage'
                          Indifference is Bliss

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by N35t0r View Post
                            [/skynet]
                            I've seen a 1 minute video that explains why time travel will never be possible. IIRC there was am armed guy and he went through a portal than transported him 30 seconds back in time.

                            He exits the portal and can see the older himself going through the portal.

                            If he shoots him, then this creates a paradox that is unsolvable because who then would go through the portal to shoot himself later/earlier? , so time travel can't exist :/

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                            • #15
                              That only works in a four dimensional universe, where you can't go through time sideways.
                              No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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