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    On the day of the massacre, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher made the United States’ first comment on the situation, wagging a finger at its ally while siding with Uzbekistan against “terrorists”:

    I would note that while we have been very consistently critical of the human rights situation in Uzbekistan, we are very concerned about the outbreak of violence in Andijan, in particularly the escape of prisoners, including possibly members of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, an organization we consider a terrorist organization...


    QUESTION:
    ...the reports are that Uzbek troops opened fire on a square in this town. Do you think that’s a good idea? Do you think that is excessive violence?


    MR. BOUCHER:
    We don’t think anybody should be using violence. We think everybody should be using — whatever — that everybody should be using restraint and doing whatever they can to avoid violence in this kind of situation, but I’m not going to comment on the latest report. You know, the one before that had other people doing other things. The one before that had criminals being released from a prison, including possible terrorists.


    Three days later, the U.S. administration dug its heels in. Yes, the Uzbek government shouldn’t go around shooting protesters, Boucher said... but:

    On the side of the demonstrators, rioters, whatever you call them, the armed attack by civilians on the prison in Andijan and other government facilities is the kind of violence that we cannot countenance in any way and we condemn these kind of armed attacks on prison facilities and on government facilities. There is nothing that justifies acts of violence or terrorism and we’re very concerned at reports of either the release or the escape of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan members...

    [N]o one can deny that Uzbekistan has faced a problem with terrorism by real extremists who are violent, who are trying to overthrow the government and kill people. And those people need to be dealt with as well.


    In the meantime, hundreds of Uzbek refugees flooded over the border to Kyrgyzstan, in fear for their lives. The EU and international community called for immediate investigations. The UN high commissioner for human rights sent letters to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice insisting that the U.S. assist with the refugees’ dire situation.

    An internal battle ensued in the Bush administration. Rice and many State Department officials argued that the U.S. had an obligation to condemn Uzbekistan. She was opposed by Donald Rumsfeld and his allies at the Pentagon, who dismissed Andijan’s dead as rebels from “an Islamist extremist group accused of seeking an Islamic state, a caliphate, in eastern Uzbekistan.” (Reports from Rumsfeld’s own Defense Intelligence Agency show he was mistaken.) Rice recalled the debate, perhaps a bit self-servingly, in her memoir:

    Don called me to say that we needed to back off. “The military needs that base,” he said. “Our security is at stake.” I told him that I was sympathetic to the Pentagon’s plight but that, in my view, the United States could not soften its position on human rights as a quid pro quo for the military presence in Uzbekistan. “What’s more, now that he’s threatened us, we can’t afford to cave,” I told him. Don somehow heard this as “human rights trump security” and told Steve Hadley [then White House National Security Adviser] to take the issue to the President. The President obviously wanted to keep the military base, but he didn’t tell me to tone it down, so I didn’t.


    Rice won the battle; Rumsfeld won the war. The U.S. helped fly many of the Uzbek refugees to safety in Europe. Shortly after, Karimov ordered American troops to leave their airbase in Uzbekistan. But after a short period of mutual consternation, the nations are back in business. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton visited Uzbekistan in 2012 to announce the U.S. had overcome its human-rights concerns enough to restore military assistance to Karimov’s regime.

    “Nobody is shying away from having the tough conversation,” a spokeswoman for Clinton told reporters. “That said, we also have other interests and things that we need to protect in our relationship with Uzbekistan.”
    Congress, too, has overcome its qualms about human rights in Uzbekistan, renewing time and again its transfers of military hardware to Karimov. That includes “equipment to enhance Uzbekistan’s ability to combat transnational and terrorist threats,” according to a State department official: “night vision goggles, personal protective equipment, and Global Positioning Systems.” Also drones, and possibly MRAPs, mine-resistant ambush-protected vehicles developed to combat IEDs in Iraq and Afghanistan, and seen most recently in the arsenals of U.S. police departments that have responded to street protests.

    All of that security assistance, guaranteed through next September, goes to a despotic Central Asian nation where men can be arrested, disappeared, and tortured for wearing their beards too long, in conservative Islamic style. Where dissidents can be boiled or frozen alive. And where government guns can make Ferguson and Baltimore look like amusement rides, turning city squares into abattoirs full of women’s and children’s corpses. Such are America’s allies in the unending struggle of freedom against extremism. Such is America’s selective memory for the victims of terror.
    If you fight against our defined 'enemies' you can do whatever the **** you want until you become an enemy. See Pakistan.
    "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
    'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

  • #2
    Welcome to the second half of the 20th century.
    Indifference is Bliss

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    • #3
      Originally posted by N35t0r View Post
      Welcome to the second half of the 20th century.
      I know, I hate it.
      "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
      'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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      • #4
        Welcome to the first half of the 21st century. Who knows what China will be doing after that.

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        • #5
          Terror agrees with you.
          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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          • #6
            Originally posted by N35t0r View Post
            Welcome to the second half of the 20th century.
            srsly. I assumed this was a thread necro.
            Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
            "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

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            • #7
              It's been going on since a long time ago
              Indifference is Bliss

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              • #8
                We don’t think anybody should be using violence. We think everybody should be using — whatever —
                Valley Girl foreign policy

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                • #9
                  we're exceptional, we make exceptions for our friends

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
                    we're exceptional, we make exceptions for our friends
                    This.
                    I'm not conceited, conceit is a fault and I have no faults...

                    Civ and WoW are my crack... just one... more... turn...

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                    • #11
                      Some of you have caused serious damage to your brain by looking at the internets too much.
                      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                      - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                      • #12
                        And yet those with children still manage to fulfill their parental obligations.
                        To us, it is the BEAST.

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                        • #13
                          I'm a liberated man. You're wasting your time. But you're too stupid to understand that.
                          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                          • #14
                            Did you burn your tighty whities in protest or something?
                            To us, it is the BEAST.

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