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  • here's charles lister's view on the rebels

    Are Syrian Islamists moving to counterbalance Al-Qaeda? Will it last?

    On March 22, the Syrian insurgency witnessed the latest in a series of mergers, when the Islamist Suqor al-Sham faction effectively subsumed itself into one of the country’s most powerful organizations, Ahrar al-Sham. Both groups had been amongst the very first armed groups to form in Syria in mid-2011 and although Suqor al-Sham has reduced in size over the past 12-months, both have consistently been amongst the most consequential actors in the fight against the Assad regime. Following the union, Ahrar al-Sham now finds itself in command of approximately 15,000 fighters across Syria, with active operations in 10 of Syria’s 14 governorates.

    This merger was only the latest sign that Ahrar al-Sham has begun re-asserting its preeminent position within the broader Syrian insurgency. Although its membership had not necessarily declined throughout 2014, the year had been a challenging one due in part to a serious cut back in funding and support from Qatar and Turkey and also to the group’s key role in fighting against the Islamic State (IS), alongside its military ally Jabhat al-Nusra — Al-Qaeda’s Syrian affiliate.

    This latter alliance with Jabhat al-Nusra has been a consistent facet of insurgent dynamics in Syria, but not only in terms of conservative Salafist groups like Ahrar al-Sham. In fact, while rarely acknowledged explicitly in public, the vast majority of the Syrian insurgency has coordinated closely with Al-Qaeda since mid-2012 – and to great effect on the battlefield. But while this pragmatic management of relationships may have secured opposition military victories against the regime, it has also come at an extraordinary cost. The assimilation of Al-Qaeda into the broader insurgency has discouraged the U.S. and its European allies from more definitively backing the ‘moderate’ opposition. That, by extension, has encouraged the intractability of the conflict we see today and the rise of jihadist factions like Jabhat al-Nusra, IS, and many others.

    Now finding themselves involved in the fifth year of a brutal civil conflict that has left at least 220,000 people dead, displaced 10 million others inside and outside the country, and trapped over 640,000 under military siege, the strategic thinking within the Syrian insurgency is subtly shifting. Since October and November 2014, the leaderships of countless Syrian insurgent groups — encompassing ‘moderate’ Free Syrian Army (FSA), mainstream Islamists and hardline Syrian Salafists — have been expressing private concern in person to this author regarding the worrying evolution of their long-time ally Jabhat al-Nusra. Back in November 2014, an Ahrar al-Sham leader described the group as leading the revolution “down the wrong path,” while a moderate Islamist from Aleppo exclaimed that “Nusra no longer wants what we want — Al-Qaeda is taking over.”

    Despite inaccurate reports that the latest merger of Ahrar al-Sham and Suqor al-Sham represented a hardening of the group’s ideological stance, the unity initiative has instead been described to this author by several Syrian Islamist officials as a conscious attempt to balance Jabhat al-Nusra’s growing power, particularly in the northwest governorate of Idlib. One official claimed the impetus for the (long-discussed) unification of Ahrar al-Sham and Suqor al-Sham came from Nusra’s “aggressive behavior” in Idlib, while another said “pressure” from other forces in the north had encouraged the move. A senior Ahrar al-Sham official on the other hand described the merger as motivated entirely by a broader “strategy” of unification and for it being “a duty and a natural thing,” but one that by consequence would “create a balance in general in the north” — a distinction between motive and consequence. Despite this latter nuance, the broader assessments may reveal a hugely significant new dynamic — albeit one that is still largely concealed beneath other revolutionary developments.

    Thus far, concerns regarding Nusra — and they are entirely genuine — have been revealed only in private discussions. Why? A simple explanation can be provided in two parts. Firstly, Jabhat al-Nusra remains an acutely powerful force on the ground in Syria and one that the remainder of the opposition is reliant upon to maintain an effective front against regime and pro-regime forces. Secondly, the only reason this reliance on a now largely untrusted organization continues is for the lack of any better alternative, namely an expressly Syrian insurgent opposition more conclusively backed by the West.

    In short, the insurgent opposition inside Syria lacks the necessary strength and sustainable sources of lethal and non-lethal support — in other words, confidence — to more unambiguously assert itself and its values on the ground. While Western states have provided lethal assistance to some opposition factions, this has been both far too limited in scale and scope.

    At this point, many will make the argument that the Syrian insurgency — excluding Al-Qaeda and other like-minded jihadists — has become more uniformly Islamic in both appearance and rhetoric. While this is undoubtedly true, it also does not take away from the fact that Syrians of all stripes still identify themselves as Syrians first. While the public rhetoric of many groups may suggest otherwise, a sustained process of face-to-face political engagement with the leaderships of over 100 of the most powerful factions on the ground over the past 10-months has laid bare to this author a crucially important distinction between public hyperbole and private attitudes.

    While many groups maintain or have more recently adopted seemingly conservative Islamic foundations, they share the same fundamental stated objectives of the U.S. and its allies: (1) to defeat Assad and/or ensure a Geneva I-style political transition; (2) to combat extremism and re-assert Syrian values of equality across ethnicity and sect; and (3) help establish a singly united state of Syria open to engagement with the international community at large. Of course there are differences on more specific issues and on semantics, but there is also a willingness to discuss and debate this through dialogue.

    This reveals perhaps the most damaging failure in Western policy on Syria: the lack of a genuinely effectively program of engagement with the armed opposition based inside Syria. So far, contact in this respect has been largely constrained to a smaller sub-section of groups identified as sufficiently ‘moderate’ and has been primarily led by security and intelligence personnel, rather than diplomatic staff. “We’ve had some meetings with French intelligence, British and American, but they never seem very concerned with our situation,” was how one FSA commander described his engagement with the West. “We once met with an American, but our requests for follow-up meetings since then have gone unanswered,” exclaimed an Ahrar al-Sham political official. Perhaps most despairingly, the leader of an FSA group widely known to be supported by the U.S. pleaded with this author to have a meeting “with the Americans — it’s like they’re not here anymore, I have heard nothing from them.”

    As of today, there is no immediately discernible end in sight for conflict in Syria. The Assad regime continues to indiscriminately murder its own citizens, and in so doing is violating international law and United Nations Security Council resolutions. IS is not only surviving in its areas of current control in Syria’s north and east, but it is covertly infiltrating areas further south, including the capital Damascus. Meanwhile, Jabhat al-Nusra consolidating itself as a dominant actor in northern Syria appears to be testing the patience and strategic pragmatism within the broader insurgency.

    This provides the West with a crucial and potentially invaluable opening for engagement with a broader swath of Syria’s armed opposition, to include Islamists. Engagement does not have to be a prerequisite for the provision of support, but is merely of value in and of itself. Syrians within the opposition are highly unlikely to give up the cause of their revolution any time soon, but their intense desire for a relationship with the West is not necessarily guaranteed into the long-term. In a worrying sign of desperation, one moderate commander told this author: “We eagerly want to talk with the West and to show them what we stand for, but our total allegiance is to the revolution and toppling the regime. If the West doesn’t want to help us with this and receive our requests [for meetings], we’ll turn to others who do.”
    "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

    "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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    • Originally posted by kentonio View Post
      Only if you take a really simplistic view of it. I was and remain completely supportive of toppling all those dictators (Afghanistan for very different reasons), because we installed or helped perpetuate the regimes in place there. We had a debt all across the middle east for our original colonisation and partitioning of the place, and our later meddling. That does not mean I approve either of the form that intervention took, nor of our continuing meddling after the fact. I have absolutely no problem for instance with the toppling of Hussain, but the fact the post invasion planning was so hideously and pathetically carried out is solely on those responsible and those who carried on supporting them once it became apparent how deeply flawed their actions were. There were good solutions that would have avoided the majority of the hundreds of thousands of deaths.
      So your logic is, we ****ed them up in the past, so we should undo our past mistakes by ****ing them up now as well!?

      Because that is basically what happened. Yes it's great that we have one less dictator in the world, but the fact of the matter is that violently deposing him resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths...

      Why not just leave them alone to sort themselves out?

      What I'm certainly not in favour of, is toppling a dictatorship, then ****ing the place up because we insist they have to form their new country in a way that is ideal to us, and then after the place goes up in flames and the extremists appear to start attacking again. That is really naively stupid.
      Yes it is and I'm glad you agree. But that's the territory you get into when you start playing 'topple the dictator'

      Again, what is your solution?

      Please. Aeson answered most of the stuff I cared about, and I picked up on the rest. If you have any particular points that we haven't already answered, feel free to point them out.
      Yeah, like all the rest of them...

      Starting with the fact that you can't say that you support the violent overthrow of dictators, but you don't like the outcome. All those hundreds of thousands of deaths, millions of refugees, the untold suffering - all of those are a direct result of the action you supported.

      Was I in favour of it? I don't recall taking any position at all on it. Quote please to refresh my memory.
      Ah, that was Aeson, both of you are running the same kind of argument so it's easy to conflate the two of you...
      "Aha, you must have supported the Iraq war and wear underpants made out of firearms, just like every other American!" Loinburger

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      • Originally posted by kentonio View Post
        I haven't been what so far? Enlightening? Have you ever actually asked me before now?
        Well, we know you want to go round and fix the west's imperialist mistakes of the past by going around and deposing dictators. It's a fine attitude, but the problem is that the lives of millions of innocent people are destroyed in the process.

        You still haven't shown how to prevent that - or how for the average person living in these countries is now better now that these dictators are gone, or on the back foot? Surely you'd have a nice shiny timetable showing how several years later that the people in Libya, for example, are even better off now than under Gaddafi?

        See, you're just like Bush and Blair: come in and smash up these countries, but then offer no solutions as to what to do next...

        I have absolutely no problem with high immigration or indeed letting in refugees. The figures show that immigration brings in money, it doesn't cost it plus its just the decent humane thing to do. I assume there needs to be some level of control over welfare etc to ensure that balance remains positive, but I don't have anything like the knowledge or training to say where that level should be.
        You know, I did always wonder why you ever identified yourself as a tory, and this is yet further proof!

        I also think we should invest in language support though, and I don't have any issue with requiring people to speak English after a period of several years to ease integration from both sides. I think what we knew as multi-culturalism was actually a series of quite poorly thought out policies that encouraged ghettoization rather than integration, but the answer there is to help integration, not close the doors.
        Agree wholeheartedly!

        Any self-respecting tory would have tarred and feathered you as a traitor by now...
        "Aha, you must have supported the Iraq war and wear underpants made out of firearms, just like every other American!" Loinburger

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        • Originally posted by kentonio View Post
          You also never actually asked me what I'd be voting this time. I'm actually out of the country so I won't be voting, but if I was for the first time in my life it wouldn't be for the Conservative party.
          What!? Can't you get a postal vote, or something?

          So, who would you be voting for? Labour are just as bad and it certainly won't be UKIP from your views on immigration...

          You're not a secret green are you?

          Wait, you're finally taking my advice and turning to the Lib dems, except that you won't be in the country...

          Also, what's changed your mind about the Nasty party? Surely they've done pretty well for the tories: generally sorting the economy; making the rich richer; seeing to be tough on crime, immigrants and drugs; saying nasty things about Europe; backstabbing their coalition partners at every opportunity; kicking the poor while they're down; ****ing up the NHS - you know, the usual nasty stuff they've always been known for...
          "Aha, you must have supported the Iraq war and wear underpants made out of firearms, just like every other American!" Loinburger

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          • Originally posted by I AM MOBIUS View Post
            So your logic is, we ****ed them up in the past, so we should undo our past mistakes by ****ing them up now as well!?

            Because that is basically what happened. Yes it's great that we have one less dictator in the world, but the fact of the matter is that violently deposing him resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths...

            Why not just leave them alone to sort themselves out?
            So we can spent a hundred years ****ing them, but then we get to walk away because its the 'moral' thing to do? Nah. Deposing those dictators didn't need to cost hundreds of thousands of lives, and wouldn't have done if the west have used its quite insane military power effectively, and then quickly handed over power to the correct people. The de-Ba'athification of Iraq was one of the most stupid and predictably destructive events in modern US history. Take away that stupid, stupid decision alone and you remove much of the internal collapse and bloodshed that followed.

            Originally posted by I AM MOBIUS View Post
            Starting with the fact that you can't say that you support the violent overthrow of dictators, but you don't like the outcome. All those hundreds of thousands of deaths, millions of refugees, the untold suffering - all of those are a direct result of the action you supported.
            Of course I can, you can support an overall aim but completely disagree with how that task is carried out. The idea that any support is support for any eventual outcome is just childish. It's the same kind of black and white thinking that led so many people to continue supporting the government after it became clear things were going desperately wrong because they felt like they'd already chosen their side.

            Originally posted by I AM MOBIUS View Post
            Ah, that was Aeson, both of you are running the same kind of argument so it's easy to conflate the two of you...
            No-one is more shocked than me, trust me.

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            • Originally posted by I AM MOBIUS View Post
              You know, I did always wonder why you ever identified yourself as a tory, and this is yet further proof!
              Originally posted by I AM MOBIUS View Post
              Agree wholeheartedly!

              Any self-respecting tory would have tarred and feathered you as a traitor by now...
              The Tory party is a much bigger tent than you lefty types give it credit for.

              Originally posted by I AM MOBIUS View Post
              What!? Can't you get a postal vote, or something?

              So, who would you be voting for? Labour are just as bad and it certainly won't be UKIP from your views on immigration...

              You're not a secret green are you?

              Wait, you're finally taking my advice and turning to the Lib dems, except that you won't be in the country...
              I registered as non-resident because I've taken a permanent job in France. As for who I would of voted for, you know what I have absolutely no idea. Can't vote for the current Tory party (any attack on the NHS is an immediate no), can't vote for the school prefect Milliband, can't vote for the Lib Dems because it'd be a totally wasted vote as they've managed to completely destroy themselves. **** I even considered a vote for the Greens just on the principle of 'Ah **** it, at least they'd have the balls to tell the banks to shove it' but it's not like they're actually going to get more than a handful of seats. I've never felt less represented politically than I do at the moment.

              Originally posted by I AM MOBIUS View Post
              Also, what's changed your mind about the Nasty party? Surely they've done pretty well for the tories: generally sorting the economy; making the rich richer; seeing to be tough on crime, immigrants and drugs; saying nasty things about Europe; backstabbing their coalition partners at every opportunity; kicking the poor while they're down; ****ing up the NHS - you know, the usual nasty stuff they've always been known for...
              A combination of the Eton clique leading to a total disconnect between the party leadership and normal people, a re-emergence of religion into politics, an obsession with slashing welfare while sucking the banks dicks, and first and always foremost their attacks on the NHS. I don't give a **** which party you belong to, if you try and undermine the principle of universal healthcare in my country, you are my enemy and I will do whatever I can to undermine you.

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              • That thread is funny.

                Let's say you have a neighboor. And that neighboor hasn't done anything to you but he has m&ms and you're hungry.
                You pretend he's violating his dog's rights so you go and steal his m&ms.

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                • You in this case being Russia, the neighbour being Ukraine and the m&ms being Crimea?

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                  • Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                    You in this case being Russia, the neighbour being Ukraine and the m&ms being Crimea?
                    He shoots. GOOOAAALLLLLL!!!!

                    J

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                    • No because in Crimea the m&ms were not cut to pieces. They voted on a referendum without bloodshed.
                      So there

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                      • Yeah, a "referendum" ... wink wink wink
                        "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                        • The Palestinians should hold a referendum and maybe Putin will go in and liberate them too.
                          It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                          RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                          • Why do you think Syria was destabilized in the first place?
                            To curb Russia's stronghold there and facilitate Israel.
                            Or do you really think some western countries gave arms to islamists simply because they wanted to promote democracy?
                            Am I supposed to do all the thinking here?

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                            • You're making the same mistake all paranoids do -- thinking everything bad that happens is directed at them.

                              Of course, you're doing it for another group entirely, so I'm not sure what to call that.
                              No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                              • The wrong conclusion?
                                “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                                "Capitalism ho!"

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