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  • #31
    Only one US soldier has been executed for desertion in the past 150 years (Eddie Slovik, WW2). It was a Big Deal at the time. He was executed because he repeatedly said he would rather go to prison than serve in his unit which left no other options. Bowe Bergdahl won't be executed nor should he be.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
      Only one US soldier has been executed for desertion in the past 150 years (Eddie Slovik, WW2). It was a Big Deal at the time. He was executed because he repeatedly said he would rather go to prison than serve in his unit which left no other options. Bowe Bergdahl won't be executed nor should he be.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Slovik
      I think it was the Article 99 charge he was referring to with the talk of the death sentence. The government stated they were only going for a life sentence on that charge though IIRC.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Donegeal View Post
        Cause it's cheaper to incarcerate 1 person than 5 people (or at least that's what it'll boil down to for our inhuman assbag right wingers).
        It's just cheaper to boil them all down.

        ...that inhumanly right wing enough for ya?
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        • #34
          Originally posted by onejayhawk View Post
          Absolutely. The death sentence should be commuted to life.

          J
          You want a US serviceman locked up for life, because he cracked under extreme pressure and did something utterly insane? Seriously?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by kentonio View Post
            You want a US serviceman locked up for life, because he cracked under extreme pressure and did something utterly insane? Seriously?
            How do you know he has mental issues when his defense team isn't even asserting that claim?
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            • #36
              Oh ****, hold the presses..

              Originally posted by CNN
              Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl told the military he left his unit in eastern Afghanistan in July 2009 intending to walk to the nearest U.S. military outpost to report wrongdoing, believing he could not trust his own commanders to deal with his concerns, according to sources familiar with the Army investigation. It is the clearest indication yet of the motive behind his decision to leave his post.

              Bergdahl was planning to report what he believed to be problems with "order and discipline" in his unit, a senior Defense official tells CNN. A second official says Bergdahl had "concerns about leadership issues at his base."

              This information is part of the report presented to General Mark Milley who this week decided to charge Bergdahl with desertion and misbehavior before the enemy. This information outlines what could be a key part of Bergdahl's defense, which the army is already aware of.

              Both officials declined to be identified because of the legal proceedings against Berghahl, but both have direct knowledge of the information outlined in the report. "This was a kid who had leadership concerns on his mind," the second official said. "He wasn't fed up, he wasn't planning to desert."

              What Bergdahl's concerns were, and whether they are relevant to the case of desertion the Army is trying to make will be a matter for military authorities to decide. "I can't tell you if his concerns were valid, but in his mind they were," the official said.

              Both officials said Bergdahl believed he could make it to the next base by relying on wilderness skills he learned growing up in rural Idaho, even though the area was full of insurgents. It was not immediately clear how far the nearest base was during that timeframe in July 2009.

              The first hint of what Bergdahl says his intent was came Wednesday in a 13-page letter to the Army from his civilian attorney Eugene Fidell. In that letter Fidell said that a still publicly unreleased initial Army investigation report "while hedging its bets.....basically concludes that Sgt. Bergdahl did not intend to remain away from the Army permanently."

              Read the letter

              Fidell went on to say the report "also concludes that his specific intent was to bring what he thought were disturbing circumstances to the attention of the nearest general officer." Fidell said he has received an executive summary of the initial Army report.

              CNN reported last year that a British filmmaker working in Afghanistan in 2009 filmed Bergdahl and other members of his platoon in Afghanistan, showing alleged lax discipline, including the soldiers not wearing mandatory protective gear. One sergeant was demoted and three others reassigned. At that time, a U.S. official who had been briefed on the initial Army fact-finding investigation conducted in the months after Bergdahl disappeared told CNN that some of Bergdahl's teammates said he had expressed "boredom" and thought his unit was too passive and should have been "kicking down doors," the official said.

              It is not clear how much of this information about Bergdahl's intent was conveyed to investigators directly by Bergdahl or may have come from testimony of others. His attorney has said Bergdahl fully cooperated with them.

              Fidell declined to comment beyond the details in his letter.
              http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/27/po...-nearest-base/

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              • #37
                Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                Oh ****, hold the presses..
                If that was really his intent, why did he leave without his gun, ship all of his stuff home, and leave a note stating his intention to desert?
                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                  If that was really his intent, why did he leave without his gun, ship all of his stuff home, and leave a note stating his intention to desert?
                  I think we probably need to wait for this one to unfold a little further before jumping in.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                    If that was really his intent, why did he leave without his gun, ship all of his stuff home, and leave a note stating his intention to desert?
                    It's all a cover up!
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                    • #40
                      There is this thing called an Inspector General. They have there cool things like email addresses, phone numbers, hot lines, and street addresses. Maybe he was just searching for cell phone reception out there.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                        You want a US serviceman locked up for life, because he cracked under extreme pressure and did something utterly insane? Seriously?
                        Sadly, the penalty isn't for THIS soldiers transgressions. Desertion in a combat zone has to be dealt with harshly or why would anyone put their lives at risk in a foriegn war. Not all soldiers will agree with their government in nearly any war that doesn't involve defense of the homeland...but for any military to function, it has to maintain discipline.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by PLATO View Post
                          Desertion in a combat zone has to be dealt with harshly or why would anyone put their lives at risk in a foriegn war.
                          No. Fear of disciplinary action for desertion might be necessary to make a conscript military fight and die but it is irrelevant for our all-volunteer military. In other words, military discipline isn't what causes 'anyone to put their lives at risk in a foreign war' in the 21st century US military.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by PLATO View Post
                            Desertion in a combat zone has to be dealt with harshly or why would anyone put their lives at risk in a foriegn war. Not all soldiers will agree with their government in nearly any war that doesn't involve defense of the homeland...but for any military to function, it has to maintain discipline.
                            imagine if everyone deserted

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                            • #44
                              Imagine there's no countries...
                              No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                              • #45
                                It isn't hard to do

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