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    Why no thread about this anti-muslim terrorist attack in the US...?

    Surely this should be front page news!

    Chapel Hill murders: Is Stephen Hicks a terrorist?


    Is slaughter made more or less awful if we more strictly categorise the perpetrator?

    Is Stephen Hicks, the man charged with the murder of young Muslim Americans Deah Shaddy Barakat, Yusor Mohammad and Razan Mohammad Abu-Salha, a terrorist?


    There’s a temptation to say “does it matter”?


    He is accused of murder. Is that not enough?

    Is the slaughter made more or less awful if we more strictly categorise the perpetrator? Not in itself, but our response may be affected by how we view the act.


    But few would argue that, since the declaration of the “War On Terror”, the word “terrorism” itself has, for many people, become conflated with the specific phenomenon of Islamist jihadist terror.

    There’s a bleak humour to be found here. Dublin comic Andrew Maxwell joked darkly that 9/11 had taken the heat off Irish people, who, if we moved to Britain, often found ourselves having to state our position on the actions of the IRA.
    No doubt many Muslims feel similar unwarranted pressure now. To be forced to define yourself against the violent actions of your compatriots or co-religionists is distinctly unfair, unwelcome and uncomfortable. The temptation to turn the tables is obvious.


    Moreover, judging by his Facebook wall, Hicks was a devotee of the Dawkins/Hitchens/Harris school of atheism, a man who had displayed antipathy to the overt (though not extreme) religiosity of the kind displayed by the neighbours he shot.

    So a man with strong views, then, and views antithetical to those of his victims. On his Facebook wall, he posted about his right to insult and ridicule religion (though which religion does not appear to have been specified).


    But even then, I’m not sure this pushes his action into the category of terrorism. Terrorism, as carried out by groups across the world, religious, secular or somewhere in between, tends to come with a cause, a manifesto, a list of demands. Anders Breivik, with whom Hicks will be compared, may have acted alone, but he had a manifesto; he laid out his reasons for killing, and hoped that others would follow his example. There is no evidence thus far that the North Carolina killer was hoping to inspire others, or to issue edicts, or even claim legitimacy for his actions.





    That does not mean Hicks was without motive. It does not do to say every lone killer is a mad man – not least because of the associating stigma passed on to people with mental illnesses.


    Dr Mohammad Abu-Salha, father of the murdered young women Yusor and Razan, offered some insight to regional newspaper the Charlotte Observer: “This man had picked on my daughter and her husband a couple of times before, and he talked with them with his gun in his belt. And they were uncomfortable with him, but they did not know he would go this far.”


    According to Dr Abu-Salha his daughter had told her family that she had ““a hateful neighbour”, saying “Honest to God, he hates us for what we are and how we look.”


    There is no reason to disbelieve the man: his daughter’s killer was a bigot, and his action a hate crime (Deah Shaddy Barakat's sister Suzanne has also called for the murders to be investigated as hate crimes). It’s quite possible his atheist rhetoric was a cloak he threw over his more base feelings. That would not be the fault of Richard Dawkins.

    But nonetheless it’s curious, and depressing, that the ideologically and politically loaded word “terrorism” must be invoked for any act of violence involving Muslims, even when they are the ones who suffer from it. It’s time we were all clearer with our language.
    Those, evil, evil Dawkinists!
    "Aha, you must have supported the Iraq war and wear underpants made out of firearms, just like every other American!" Loinburger

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    Athiests can be racist *******s too? Who'da knew..

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    • #3
      I was wondering which OT poster was suddenly missing given his Facebook posts.
      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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      • #4
        Another good reason to ban private gun ownership.
        There's nothing wrong with the dream, my friend, the problem lies with the dreamer.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Uncle Sparky View Post
          Another good reason to ban private gun ownership.
          To prevent atheists from going on a murder spree? Shouldn't you people have a bit more self control?
          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
            To prevent atheists from going on a murder spree? Shouldn't you people have a bit more self control?
            To prevent neighbors from shooting each other.
            There's nothing wrong with the dream, my friend, the problem lies with the dreamer.

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            • #7
              Seems like the media narrative/question I'm reading today is, was it racially motivated? or a parking dispute?

              pro-tip: it can be both
              To us, it is the BEAST.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by I AM MOBIUS View Post
                Surely this should be front page news!
                It's only front page news when brown people do it
                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                  It's only front page news when brown people do it
                  It was front page on our local tv stations website

                  Craig Stephen Hicks, a 46-year-old man, has been arrested in the shooting deaths of three people in Chapel Hill Tuesday night.


                  And I remember it being mentioned on the morning news.
                  It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                  RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                  • #10
                    Of course the murders happened Tuesday evening .

                    It was only due to the surge of posting on Twitter (#MuslimLivesMatter) and vigils for the 3 that most mainstream media outlets reported on it. Your link, for instance, was posted today.
                    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                    • #11
                      I don't think it's that abnormal for something that happens late in the evening to take a day to show up if it's not earth shattering news.
                      Heck this thread didn't show up until this morning.
                      It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                      RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                      • #12
                        It was on the newspaper over here yesterday. He was a hateful bigot with access to a gun.
                        Indifference is Bliss

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                        • #13
                          Yes, the concept of
                          It's only front page news when brown people do it
                          is just overblown. Not totally untrue but not quite as true as many like to tout.
                          It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                          RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                          • #14
                            It wasn't in the front page of any newspapers though... But yes in the international news section alongside the Ukraine and some other stuff.
                            Indifference is Bliss

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                              It's only front page news when brown people do it
                              If it had been anyone other than a progressive atheist that had been the killer, it probably would have been front page news as evidence of a backlash against Muslims.
                              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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