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    Obama will propose mandatory tax on US companies' earnings held overseas

    White House to unveil budget on Monday and predicts one-off 14% tax on corporations will raise $238bn to inject into project to upgrade roads and bridges


    Barack Obama will propose a major clampdown on US corporations with a one-off levy on an estimated $2tn of untaxed earnings being stashed overseas, using the windfall to rescue America’s crumbling road infrastructure.

    The centrepiece of the White House budget, which will be unveiled on Monday but was shared in advance with the Guardian and other media, is a one-off 14% tax on untaxed foreign earnings multinational companies are shielding overseas.

    That is less than half of the current 35% top tax rate for corporations. But the White House predicts the 14% tax will raise $238bn, a sum it wants to immediately inject into a nationwide project to upgrade roads, bridges and public transport.

    “These investments would be paid for by closing tax loopholes as part of reforming the business tax rules to level the playing field and make sure everyone pays their fair share,” a White House official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

    Major corporations such as Apple, Google and Microsoft have been avoiding the 35% corporation tax on earnings repatriated to America by stockpiling earnings overseas in low-tax jurisdictions such as Bermuda and Ireland.

    The White House’s proposed one-off tax on companies with earnings overseas would be a “mandatory tax on previously untaxed foreign earnings, regardless of whether the earnings are repatriated”, the official said. In total, the White House plans to invest $478bn in road infrastructure over six years through the Highway Trust Fund, around half of which would be paid for from the one-off tax.

    Republicans have signalled they are open to finding a way to tax earnings stored overseas by big corporations, and have explored similar ideas. They are also in favour of boosting money for road-building – one of the few areas of government spending they are willing to see increase.

    In addition to the one-off levy to pay for infrastructure improvements, Obama will also call for a 19% corporation tax on all future earnings, the White House official said.

    “After this initial payment, foreign earnings could be reinvested in the US without additional tax, which would level the playing field, and encourage firms to create jobs here at home,” the official said.

    “The president’s proposal also includes other loophole closers that crack down on corporations that shift profits to tax havens to avoid paying their fair share or take advantage of so-called ‘inversions’ to avoid paying US taxes.”

    The proposals will be contained in the president’s $4tn budget, to be unveiled at the Department of Homeland Security on Monday. The budget is effectively his administration’s wish list.

    Much of Obama’s budget plan is likely to be shot down by Republican leaders, who now control both chambers of Congress and will call the shots on future legislation.

    But the budget represents an opportunity for Obama, who wields a presidential veto, to draw lines in the sand ahead of tax-and-spend negotiations.

    Following his populist State of the Union address last month, which was characterised by his opponents as a Robin Hood-style attack on wealth inequality, Obama is expected to offer an array of spending programmes and tax increases in his budget, to bring “middle-class economics into the 21st Century”.

    While open to changes to overseas taxes for businesses, Obama’s Republican adversaries, who have the power to call the shots on fiscal legislation, are fiercely opposed to other aspects of the White House’s budget they believe would harm business or redistribute wealth.

    Republican representative Paul Ryan, the new chairman of the tax-writing ways and means committee, said on Sunday his party was willing “to work with this administration to see if we can find common ground on certain aspects of tax reform”.

    However, he dismissed Obama’s plan to shut a tax loophole that allows wealthy Americans to avoid paying high rates of inheritance tax by re-organising their estates through trust funds.

    “What I think the president is trying to do here is to, again, exploit envy economics,” the Wisconsin congressman told NBC.

    “This top-down redistribution doesn’t work,” he said. “It may make for good politics. It doesn’t make for good economic growth.”

    Monday’s budget will be aimed at alleviating the tax burden on the middle classes, mostly through tax credits, while raising taxes on the very rich. The White House anticipates strong Republican opposition to some plans, such as an increase in the capital gains rate on couples making more than $500,000 per year, but expects it will be more difficult for the GOP to object to more equitable taxes on American companies storing their profits overseas.

    However, there appears to be more room for discussion over the president’s one-off corporate “transition tax” on accumulated foreign profits.

    The White House said it opposes “tax holidays” – proposed by senators such as Republican presidential hopeful Rand Paul – that would allow companiesto voluntarily pay a one-time tax on foreign earnings that are returned to the US at a rate as low as 6.5%.
    White House to unveil budget on Monday and predicts one-off 14% tax on corporations will raise $238bn to inject into project to upgrade roads and bridges



    This should be a good thread.

    Corporate shills versus the normals. Ready? FIGHT!
    To us, it is the BEAST.

  • #2
    “This top-down redistribution doesn’t work,” he said. “It may make for good politics. It doesn’t make for good economic growth.”
    I wonder how he knows? I seem to remember inheritance taxes being higher in the 50's and 60's and growth was pretty good then.
    “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

    ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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    • #3
      Holy ****. That's even worse than the tax on expats living overseas.

      Hope you enjoy no company ever again incorporating here.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
        Hope you enjoy no company ever again incorporating here.
        I don't really see where country of incorporation really matters.
        “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

        ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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        • #5
          It matters because if you're incorporated in the US you get a ridiculous double tax on overseas earnings...
          If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
          ){ :|:& };:

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          • #6
            I meant that as in - so what if companies try their best to move the incorporation locale outside the US?
            “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

            ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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            • #7
              Corporations hate America. Why would they stay?
              To us, it is the BEAST.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                Holy ****. That's even worse than the tax on expats living overseas.

                Hope you enjoy no company ever again incorporating here.
                No, the tax on expats working overseas (not just living) is worse. (To avoid the claim of conflict of interest ... I am not in this group. I'm just a tourist who has a business in the US that makes me money while I sleep.)

                The working expat really is subject to (not quite) double taxation. The expat also doesn't have many options as to citizenship, they may not be able to get citizenship in another country. Doing so would permanently alter their options as well. They were probably born into it.

                In comparison, a corporation can much more easily incorporate where they want to. (Especially if they want to move back.)

                If they are legitimately doing business in a foreign country, they can choose whether they want the benefits afforded by incorporation in the US or not. The US as a whole suffers from having such liabilities, because it creates legal, diplomatic, and even potential military entanglements. (Much like citizenship.) So it should be something that is paid for.

                If the corporation is simply doing business in a tax haven to avoid paying taxes ... "Double taxation" is rather silly since they aren't even paying single taxation yet.

                So I don't see a problem here. The right to citizenship and/or incorporation in the US is a tremendous benefit. No one is forced into it (though citizens are tied into it far more-so than corporations). Everyone is free to give it up. If it's worth paying for, it should be paid for. If they aren't paying anything anyway and are only increasing our liabilities, good riddance!

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                • #9
                  Any US company based outside the USA needs the hell taxed out of them.
                  Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                  "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                  He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sava View Post
                    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...rseas-earnings


                    This should be a good thread.

                    Corporate shills versus the normals. Ready? FIGHT!
                    Normally those profits have already been taxed in the country they were made. Any other rich country only taxes income made within its borders, not those made elsewhere. THAT is the normal. Obama's proposal is blatantly populist.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SlowwHand View Post
                      Any US company based outside the USA needs the hell taxed out of them.
                      To us, it is the BEAST.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Colon™ View Post
                        Normally those profits have already been taxed in the country they were made. Any other rich country only taxes income made within its borders, not those made elsewhere. THAT is the normal. Obama's proposal is blatantly populist.
                        The world's smallest violin is playing for those poor multinational corporations. OH HOW THEY ARE VICTIMS OF BIG BAD MEANY OBAMA

                        won't someone think of the corporations? they're so sweet and innocent.







                        I seriously don't understand that attitude. Anyone who feels sorry for a corporation needs a serious lesson in moral perspective in addition to getting their fucking head checked.
                        To us, it is the BEAST.

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                        • #13
                          Right. It appears most of the world has no morals since most of the world only taxes income made within its borders.
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                          • #14
                            There are some corporations that deserve pity ...

                            "Hi, I'm Aeson's LLC".
                            "What do you do for a living?"
                            "I'm a disregarded entity"
                            "So, um ... what do you do?"
                            "I make my owner lots of money and he takes it all away and I don't get anything at all!"

                            If corporations are people ... I'm a slave owner

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Colon™ View Post
                              Right. It appears most of the world has no morals since most of the world only taxes income made within its borders.
                              Why would anyone care about what happens to a corporation in other countries? You aren't helping yourself here.

                              It's mind boggling that people have more empathy for a corporation than their fellow human beings.

                              If corporations in America paid taxes like everyone else, this wouldn't be an issue.
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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