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  • A Quiet State

    Interesting story highlighting the current state of affairs in the land of the freedom fries.


    For the past three months, I and other leaders of the organization May First/People Link have been under a federal subpoena to provide information we don’t have. During that time, we have also been forbidden by a federal court “gag order” to tell anyone about that subpoena, although we had already announced it and commented on it before the order was sent. Finally, we were forbidden from telling anyone about the gag order itself.

    It all sounds comical but any laughter would end if we violated that “gag order,” because that would be a felony and we could face prison sentences and huge fines.

    We were silenced by our own government in a case we had nothing to do with and over information we didn’t have…and we couldn’t tell anyone about any of it.

    The court order has now expired as of December 18 and I am now free to talk about it.
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    On September 5 this year, the Department of Justice (apparently cooperating with Greek law enforcement authorities) demanded account information about the Athens (Greece) Indymedia Center (IMC), one of our members. Although no government has confirmed this, we believe the target of the investigation was an activist organization wanted by Greek law enforcement that is believed to have used the Indymedia website at one point. There’s nothing unique or surprising about that — IndyMedia is an international organization dedicated to providing news about movements world-wide, news which is often written by those movements. So anyone who wants to post on an Indymedia Center website is freely allowed to do so.

    In fact, the Athens IMC had very little information on the organization under investigation. It doesn’t maintain logs or records of visitors. It just had a couple of email addresses that the government already knew about. In other words, we didn’t have anything the government wanted and couldn’t turn over what we didn’t have even if we wanted to. Normally, things would have ended there.
    ...
    You would think that not allowing a citizen to talk would be a pretty huge decision for the government in this country. But this was treated like a routine matter and that’s because it is routine. It has become one of the government’s favorite investigative tools and the specific kind of tool the government usually uses is a National Security Letter.

    Essentially the NSL is a demand for certain information which always includes a gag order like the one we received (except ours came from the federal court itself). Under the Patriot Act, the FBI can issue such a letter (without a judge’s approval or a hearing) if the agent running an ongoing investigation believes the information being sought is relevant to the case. Most of these letters are about illegal clandestine activities or terrorism but that’s a pretty wide berth for any investigation. What’s more, the letters never tell you what the investigation is about. There is no judicial review of the request required although, after the reform of the Patriot Act in 2006, you can appeal the letter to a federal judge. But the record shows that such appeals are almost never successful.

    So you have to give up the information on people who expect that you will protect their information, never tell these people or anyone else you’re doing it and never tell anybody that you can’t tell them.

    This alone shows that, in the United States, we have no privacy and, since you can’t communicate with people about what you’re being forced to do, no real freedom of speech.

    To illustrate how absurd things got: I was contacted by several journalists from Greece who were, naturally, interested in a story about the US government cooperating with their own government’s investigators.

    One asked me, “Have you received this subpoena?” and I responded that we have issued a statement on it.

    He then asked if there are new developments and I answered, “I am unable to further comment on this situation at this time.”

    These Greek reporters are clever souls so this one asked me, “Are you under a gag order from your government?”

    I repeated my answer about not being able to comment. (By now I was starting to feel like the British Prime Minister during Minister’s Questions in Parliament. “I refer the honorable gentleman to an answer I gave previously.”)

    Then, in the kind of question I would ask several times a week when I was working for a daily newspaper, he asked “Can we assume that this would be your answer if you were under a government gag order?”

    My non-answer answer: “You can only assume what I have stated in my previous answer.”

    Any reporter with any experience would realize that I’m under a gag order at that point, so the whole thing was ridiculous, particularly because we had already published a statement about this before we were gagged.

    But maybe this wasn’t about not publishing the information. Maybe this was about exercising repressive power over a citizen…testing how far they can go, testing how much we will accept.

    Because our order was issued by a federal judge, it was reviewed and had an expiration date. But if it had been issued through an NSL, the gag would be virtually permanent. If an activist believes that a particular government investigation is invasive (which it often is), that activist can never speak about it, comment on it, publicly analyze it. It becomes cloaked in the virtual smoke of a room of repression and constitutional violation.
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    About 300,000 such letters have been issued over the last ten years — over 140,000 between 2003 and 2005.
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    For most of my life, people in this country have pointed out to me that at least we should be pleased that we can protest and that we have freedom of speech, privacy and association. But we really don’t. At least a third of a million of us haven’t enjoyed that freedom for an indeterminate period and probably a large percentage of them still don’t. Any freedom we have is granted by a government which constantly demonstrates that it’s ready to withdraw that freedom if it deems that necessary.

    For some reason, not being gagged doesn’t feel very “free”.


    With 300,000 of those issued, the world must be a very safe place.

    Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
    GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

  • #2
    this is pretty outrageous and something to bear in mind when some of our resident polytubbies wax lyrical about freedom of speech in the USA.
    "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

    "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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    • #3
      Wow!
      "Aha, you must have supported the Iraq war and wear underpants made out of firearms, just like every other American!" Loinburger

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      • #4
        This ****'s depressing. I mean, I'm okay with living in a dystopian nightmare, but only if it's a cool one where Father AI watches my every move and replaces me with a reprogrammed clone if I ever make a mistake. But this ****... ****ing police state nonsense... this kind of dystopia has been done to death and I don't really want to be a part of it.
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        • #5
          I for one am deeply ashamed that our government wasn't able to procure all the information without having to grovel for it this way. What are we paying the NSA to do anyways?

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          • #6
            consume, be silent, die
            Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

            Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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            • #7
              In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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              • #8
                I find interesting how people who aren't in government are so responsive to letters from government. Insiders may react differently.
                Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                • #9
                  Disgusting is about my only thought on the matter.

                  It's why I am "FlameFlash." It's a fool's hope for being anonymous, but it's the only hope I have.
                  I'm not conceited, conceit is a fault and I have no faults...

                  Civ and WoW are my crack... just one... more... turn...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
                    this is pretty outrageous and something to bear in mind when some of our resident polytubbies wax lyrical about freedom of speech in the USA.
                    It sounded like we were starting to get something similar happening (on a much smaller scale) with the secret child courts they started up.

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                    • #11
                      yes, and there are similar things that happen in UK courts. the cases usually involve celebrities. the person involved will go to court to get an injunction preventing newspapers from reporting on a certain matter and also about the injunction itself.

                      i'm very much against these (though i can see the case for a proper law about privacy), but i think the consequences for society for not hearing about a footballer's sex life are far less serious than those for not hearing about matters related to 'national security'...
                      "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                      "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                      • #12
                        What is "national security"? ultimately pretty much anything that some central bureaucrat, whom noone will ever see or hold accountable, decides is "important". It seems that you do not even need (secret) judicial oversight as in this case - pretty nifty, Stalin would be proud.

                        It's not easy to rule those unruly citizens of the land of the freedom fries, is it?
                        Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
                        GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave View Post
                          What is "national security"? ultimately pretty much anything that some central bureaucrat, whom noone will ever see or hold accountable, decides is "important". It seems that you do not even need (secret) judicial oversight as in this case - pretty nifty, Stalin would be proud.
                          exactly.
                          "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                          "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave View Post
                            What is "national security"?
                            National security is doing something other than whatever it is we were doing on 9/10.
                            Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
                            "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

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