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  • #31
    Are people tortured during enhanced interrogation? If so, then the term "enhanced interrogation" is Orwellian, because it's a political euphemism for torture. If not, then what exactly is the difference between enhanced and non-enhanced interrogation? Asking the prisoners extra-super-nicely where Saddam Hussein is hiding?
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    • #32
      The intended distinction is between whatever you want to call what the CIA did and mutilating torture that causes permanent injury, like what happened to John McCain.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by N35t0r View Post
        Yet you insist with calling torture something else.
        No one was authorized to stick bamboo shoots under fingernails. 'Enhanced interrogation' is all that was authorized. Otherwise the term 'torture' would have been used, and appropriately so.
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        • #34
          Also the difference between what the CIA did then and what it does now, is now instead of taking people in and questioning them, we just blow them up (with concomitant collateral damage).

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          • #35
            Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
            The intended distinction is between whatever you want to call what the CIA did and mutilating torture that causes permanent injury, like what happened to John McCain.
            I'm pretty sure that if somebody said "yeah, I intentionally killed somebody with little to no provocation, but c'mon! Charles Manson and Jeffrey Dahmer and Adolph Hitler did a lot worse, therefore I'm not a murderer," then you'd call bull****. Yet here you are saying that intentionally inflicting pain on a helpless prisoner doesn't count as "torture" unless what you're doing is as bad as what the Viet Cong did. What the ****.
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            • #36
              "Your honor, because the defendant only killed his wife instead of killing six million Jews, we find him Not Guilty of Murder."
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              • #37
                Republicans do indeed have a subhuman ****** tendency - is it any wonder that the 5 most repulsive posters on this forum happen to be Republican?
                "Aha, you must have supported the Iraq war and wear underpants made out of firearms, just like every other American!" Loinburger

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                • #38
                  Obviously, John McCain who was referenced would know about 'real' torture, right?


                  I have long believed some of these practices amounted to torture, as a reasonable person would define it, especially, but not only the practice of waterboarding, which is a mock execution and an exquisite form of torture.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
                    No one was authorized to stick bamboo shoots under fingernails. 'Enhanced interrogation' is all that was authorized. Otherwise the term 'torture' would have been used, and appropriately so.
                    So if they send me to buy butter, and I kill 5 people, I didn't murder anyone because I was sent to buy butter?
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                      Also the difference between what the CIA did then and what it does now, is now instead of taking people in and questioning them, we just blow them up (with concomitant collateral damage).
                      And this is an argument in favour of what?
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by loinburger View Post
                        I'm pretty sure that if somebody said "yeah, I intentionally killed somebody with little to no provocation, but c'mon! Charles Manson and Jeffrey Dahmer and Adolph Hitler did a lot worse, therefore I'm not a murderer," then you'd call bull****. Yet here you are saying that intentionally inflicting pain on a helpless prisoner doesn't count as "torture" unless what you're doing is as bad as what the Viet Cong did. What the ****.
                        I'm just framing the argument, I didn't say I agree with it. (I don't)

                        Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                        Obviously, John McCain who was referenced would know about 'real' torture, right?

                        http://www.azcentral.com/story/lauri...port/20162627/
                        This is precisely why I referenced him, hth

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                        • #42
                          Go team
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                            Obviously, John McCain who was referenced would know about 'real' torture, right?

                            http://www.azcentral.com/story/lauri...port/20162627/
                            Not an expert.
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                            • #44
                              An expert being somebody who has inflicted pain instead of somebody who has had pain inflicted on them? Time to resurrect Torquemada
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                              • #45
                                Though I do agree with Kidicious that torture would be more judiciously used if prospective torturers were required to undergo torture as part of their training
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