Zero Tolerance

[Kidlicious]

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-discipline-lausd-20140821-story.html

So LAUSD liberalizes it's zero tolerance policy. I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, the policy is often times executed stupidly, and with prejudice, mostly in grade school. I'm tired of hearing about little boys expelled for toy guns. Also, counseling should be used, however it is used under zero tolerance. Students will listen to counseling more when there are consequences for their actions. No consequences and they won't listen. Of course there are exceptions.

On the other hand, I think fighting, marijuana possession etc will increase. Worse, colleges will see these problems increase as well.

So, I think this will be another failure by the educational system, possibly as bad as whole language. If any thing we need to hold students MORE accountable, not less. This is not progress. We are not progressing. Zero tolerance is not the problem. Liberalism is the problem.

[C0ckney]

I'm tired of hearing about little boys expelled for toy guns.

would you prefer it if they were shot?

[Kidlicious]

Are you referring to a mistake that a police officer made because he was afraid for his life? I don't see the connection.

[-Jrabbit]

The second largest school district in the country has finally stopped criminalizing typical HS student behavior and you have "mixed feelings"??

Blowing off school for a day or getting into a scuffle during gym class should not result in starting your adult life with a criminal record.

[C0ckney]

i'm referring to your view that expelling kids for toy guns is ridiculous, but shooting them dead is fine.

[Kidlicious]

i'm referring to your view that expelling kids for toy guns is ridiculous, but shooting them dead is fine.

Talking to your imaginary friend again?

[Kidlicious]

The second largest school district in the country has finally stopped criminalizing typical HS student behavior and you have "mixed feelings"??

Blowing off school for a day or getting into a scuffle during gym class should not result in starting your adult life with a criminal record.

Those are criminal offenses, and they are a serious disruption to the learning environment. Why shouldn't they have a criminal record?

[C0ckney]

Talking to your imaginary friend again?

we're not friends.

[C0ckney]

also are you saying that shooting 12 year old kids for having toy guns is not ok?

[Kidlicious]

we're not friends.

Why did you invent an enemy?

[Kidlicious]

also are you saying that shooting 12 year old kids for having toy guns is not ok?

Are you expecting your imaginary enemy to answer this?

[C0ckney]

why so coy? i can understand why someone would be embarrassed about holding the kind of views you do, but you should take responsibility for them; you're supposed to be a grown man.

[Kidlicious]

I'm just going to randomly suggest a book to read ...

http://business.highbeam.com/409744/article-1G1-277436627/inventing-enemy-denunciation-and-terror-stalin-russia

[-Jrabbit]

Those are criminal offenses, and they are a serious disruption to the learning environment. Why shouldn't they have a criminal record?

You don't think things like detention and suspension are sufficient? You really want to use scarce resources like police manpower to issue citations to every kid caught with an attitude problem or a beer?

Apparently you were never young.

You really are a piece of work, Kid. And by that I mean, a piece of crap.

[Kidlicious]

You don't think things like detention and suspension are sufficient? You really want to use scarce resources like police manpower to issue citations to every kid caught with an attitude problem or a beer?

Apparently you were never young.

You really are a piece of work, Kid. And by that I mean, a piece of crap.

I was going to say that you are different from people like COckney, but the more I talk to you the more I see that you are not. You think you're better than people who disagree with you.

So, yes I was young once. I was also a teacher once. What does that have to do with believing that we learn from consequences?

Detention and suspension don't really work. What do you do when they don't go to detention? Suspension? Come on, you know no one cares about being suspended.