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    A recent experimental study sought to answer the question as to whether bankers are more likely to cheat than people in other professions. You can probably imagine the results, but you'll be surprised as to the reason why.

    There is something in the culture of banking that lends itself toward making otherwise fairly good people do bad things. That's the finding of a new study published in the journal, Nature. And it may simply confirm the suspicions of many following endless news of bankers being outed for bad behaviour.

    The list is almost too endless to mention (but here goes anyway): manipulating the foreign exchange market, LIBOR and the gold market; mis-selling interest-rate swaps, mortgage backed securities and payment protection insurance; aiding money laundering; disregarding sanctions on a country; tax avoidance; providing compromised investment advice; trading scandals – the list could go on.

    In total, these fines have directly cost banks more than US$100 billion in the US alone. Some have suggested this could soon bring the total bill for fines since 2008 to more than US$300 billion.

    And, however astronomical this number sounds, the fines are just the start of it. There are legal fees, processes of internal change, consultants and, of course, new risk and compliance departments which need to be paid. On top of this, there are huge reputational costs. One recent study of UK banks found that for every £1 they paid out in fines they lost £9 off their share price. So banks would probably do well to address this seemingly fundamental issue of having a corrupt culture, as shown in this study.
    Deception at the Toss of a Coin

    Economists at the University of Zurich, Michel Maréchal, Alain Cohn and Ernst Fehr, set out to learn whether bankers are in fact more likely to cheat. They particularly focused on whether people who consciously thought of themselves as bankers (and acted under this moniker) were more likely to cheat than when they had their non-professional hats on. They suspected it was something about the identity of being a banker that made people more likely to cheat.

    To test this question, they asked a group of people working for a financial organization to complete a simple questionnaire. The respondents were divided into two groups. The first was initially asked a set of questions about their job as bankers (such as which division they worked in). The second was asked about their everyday life (such as how much television they watched). This primed the first group to think of themselves as "bankers"; the second as "everyday people".

    After this step, both groups were then asked to play a simple game. They were asked to flip a coin ten times and record their results. Before they flipped the coin, they were also told if you got heads (for instance) you will receive US$20. Because it was an online test, no-one could check the results – so there was lots of room for lying.

    The results were surprising. The people who were primed to think about themselves as an everyday person did not lie about their results (despite the fact there was ample room to do so). But the group who were primed to think of themselves as bankers tended to lie significantly more – they misrepresented their results about 16% of the time and more than a quarter of the "bankers" group cheated.

    Much of this lying and cheating can be attributed to the small population of bankers who were quite happy to lie in almost every flip of the coin if it benefited them. But the study indicates that by simply prompting a person in the financial services industry to think about themselves as a banker means they are more likely to cheat.
    Identity the Crucial Factor

    At this stage you might object, and say that identity is not the crucial factor at work here. Maybe it was just thinking about money which led to bad behaviour? The study also tested members of other professions who, when prompted to think about themselves in professional terms, did not lie and cheat more. There was no difference among the cheaters and non-cheaters in terms of competitiveness.

    Cheating was also not simply the result of people thinking that everyone else was doing it and so it was OK. What seemed to prompt bankers to cheat on this test was when they thought of themselves as bankers.

    What is more, it is not just that people who identify as bankers tend to lie and cheat more than the general population. In fact, the study showed that this behaviour was expected of them by others. This can be seen when participants were asked how often they thought bankers would cheat on this test (when compared to other interest groups). Respondents tended to think that bankers would cheat more than prison inmates on the test. This says something for what expect of the people we trust with our money.
    Profound Implications

    This neat experiment has some profound implications for how banks are run and regulated. It suggests that one of the reasons why banks might be such cesspits of bad behaviour is not the actual people working in them – who act morally when they're not in working mode.

    So, while rejigging balance sheets with the fines that have recently been meted out is important, it is unlikely to fix underlying cultural issues in the banking industry. It is possible to begin to fix the problem by identifying people who are extreme cheaters and are likely to lie on every occasion possible. Simple tests might weed these individuals out.
    Changing the Definition of a Banker

    But to address the deeper-seated cultural issues, it is crucial to change this "banker" identity. There may be some ways to do this. In the short term, banks might consider removing various prompts within their institutions which encourage their employees to think about themselves as bankers.

    These identity prompts might include all the paraphernalia we associate with banks like their slick corporate headquarters down to constant flashing share prices and images of money. And the prompts that encourage other identities at work could be increased. For instance in some banks, employees are now asked whether they would be proud of selling a product to a family member.

    It is also possible to encourage employees not to think about themselves as a banker. Some new retail banks encourage their employees not to think of themselves as bankers but as "advisors" or even "hosts".

    In the long-term, however, it is necessary to change what it means to be a banker altogether. Things like "Greed is good" and associations with winning at any cost might be downplayed. Other characteristics, such as being trustworthy and having integrity could be played up. Over time this would hopefully lead to bankers thinking about their collective identity in a different way. And the result would, hopefully, be that when they are faced with a situation where no one is looking, they do the right thing – like the rest of the population usually does.

    This article originally appeared at The Conversation and is reproduced here under a creative commons license.
    Wow. People who have no conscience behave like pieces of shit. What a surprise.

    To us, it is the BEAST.

  • #2
    another article from a different source:

    Nov 19 (Reuters) - A banking culture that implicitly puts financial gain above all else fuels greed and dishonesty and makes bankers more likely to cheat, according to the findings of a scientific study.

    Researchers in Switzerland studied bank workers and other professionals in experiments in which they won more money if they cheated, and found that bankers were more dishonest when they were made particularly aware of their professional role.

    When bank employees were primed to think less about their profession and more about normal life, however, they were less inclined to dishonesty.

    "Many scandals..have plagued the financial industry in the last decade," Ernst Fehr, a researcher at the University of Zurich who co-led the study, told reporters in a telephone briefing. "These scandals raise the question whether the business culture in the banking industry is favouring, or at least tolerating, fraudulent or unethical behaviours."

    Fehr's team conducted a laboratory game with bankers, then repeated it with other types of workers as comparisons.

    The first study involved 128 employees all levels of a large international bank -- the researchers were sworn to secrecy about which one -- and 80 staff from a range of other banks.

    Participants were divided into a treatment group that answered questions about their profession, such as "what is your function at this bank"; or a control group that answered questions unrelated to work, such as "how many hours of TV do you watch each week?"

    They were then asked to toss a coin 10 times, unobserved, and report the results. For each toss they knew whether heads or tails would yield a $20 reward. They were told they could keep their winnings if they were more than or equal to those of a randomly selected subject from a pilot study.

    Given maximum winnings of $200, there was "a considerable incentive to cheat", Fehr's team wrote in the journal Nature.

    The results showed the control group reported 51.6 percent winning tosses and the treatment group -- whose banking identity had been emphasised to them -- reported 58.2 percent as wins, giving a misrepresentation rate of 16 percent. The proportion of subjects cheating was 26 percent.

    The same experiments with employees in other sectors -- including manufacturing, telecoms and pharmaceuticals -- showed they don't become more dishonest when their professional identity or banking-related information is emphasised.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0T91V120141119
    To us, it is the BEAST.

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    • #3
      can a mod please change the title so that it ends on the word "cheat", please?
      To us, it is the BEAST.

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      • #4
        So what else is new? Really, this has been shown quite a few times over the past years.

        Anyhoo, better not tell the gfs/wives of my banker friends. Not that I have many of those left these days, they can't seem to hold on to their friends for some reason
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sava View Post
          can a mod please change the title so that it ends on the word "cheat", please?
          NP
          Keep on Civin'
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          • #6
            I don't get the Experiment. Were they unobserved as stated in both Articles or told they were unobserved? If so how do the 'Researchers' establish these numbers?
            Somehow I doubt they used special perfectly weighted Coins and all normal currency has a favoured side. Are they accused of being better Physicists?


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            Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

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            • #7
              They gave the bankers the coins to flip, and the ones who returned them were honest.

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              • #8
                There was a similar one not so long ago that showed that people who perceive themselves to be wealthier behaved in a more greedy fashion - free lollies, or some such. The interesting thing was, when the same people were manipulated into thinking they were relatively less well-off, they were less greedy.

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                • #9
                  The really disturbing thing is that bankers can't do math (stats).
                  “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

                  ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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                  • #10
                    Next test: Increase the stakes to 2k USD to see what happens then.
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                    • #11
                      they'll lose the lot and then ask for a government bailout?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sava View Post
                        can a mod please change the title so that it ends on the word "cheat", please?
                        Thought you'd enjoy this story from my neck of the woods, Sava :

                        City traders used chat rooms and code names such as the ‘A-Team’ to rig the foreign exchange markets, it emerged today as five banks were hit with record fines of more than £2 billion.


                        The highly paid dealers behaved “like s******ing schoolboys doing naughty things” while they cheated clients out of millions of pounds and made huge personal profits over a five year period.

                        The banks - British high street giants HSBC and Royal Bank of Scotland, UBS of Switzerland and US lenders JP Morgan Chase and Citibank - were penalised by British and American watchdogs. A sixth bank, Barclays, is still negotiating the size of its fine.


                        I think we should have a collection to enable those poor traders to get the kind of education that helps you tell right from wrong- because clearly they missed out somewhere along the way.
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                        • #13
                          No thanks.

                          If they behaved I'd be out of a job.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by molly bloom View Post
                            Thought you'd enjoy this story from my neck of the woods, Sava :





                            I think we should have a collection to enable those poor traders to get the kind of education that helps you tell right from wrong- because clearly they missed out somewhere along the way.
                            I'd rather just put them in a cell and throw away the key.

                            But sure, I'm all for rehabilitation.
                            To us, it is the BEAST.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dauphin View Post
                              No thanks.

                              If they behaved I'd be out of a job.
                              What's your job?
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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