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  • CA Couple Will Face Fine If They Water Their Lawn, or Pay Another Fine If They Don't

    California couple conserving water amid drought could face fine for brown lawn

    (Reuters) - A Southern California couple who scaled back watering their lawn amid the state's drought received a warning from the suburb where they live that they might be fined for creating an eyesore - despite emergency statewide orders to conserve.

    Michael Korte and Laura Whitney, who live near Los Angeles in Glendora, said on Thursday they received a letter from the city warning they had 60 days to green up their partially brown lawn or pay a fine ranging from $100 to $500.

    "I don't think it's right for us to start pouring water into our lawn in the middle of July during a drought," said Whitney. "We're kind of in a quandary about what to do."

    The letter, bearing the official symbols of Glendora and its police department, came the same week that statewide water regulators passed emergency drought restrictions for outdoor water use. Those regulations, to take effect this August, require cities to demand cutbacks in water use, and empower them to fine residents up to $500 for overwatering their lawns.

    California is in the third year of an extreme drought that is expected to cost the state an estimated $2.2 billion and more than 17,000 agricultural jobs. Democratic Governor Jerry Brown declared a drought emergency in January.

    In Glendora, City Manager Chris Jeffers said the city did encourage conservation, but that Korte's and Whitney's lawn was in such bad shape that it was reported as possibly abandoned.

    "We were responding to a complaint that we received of a possible abandoned property," Jeffers said. "Crews visited and determined it was not abandoned, but not kept. The landscape was dead and there were large areas of just dirt."

    Instead of citing the couple, he said, officials opted to leave a letter explaining that conserving water did not mean abandoning the landscape.

    "Conservation does not mean neighborhoods need to deteriorate because property owners want (the) landscape to die or go unmaintained," he said.

    Glendora's action provoked a strong response from state environmental officials, who said such moves undermined conservation efforts.

    “Throughout the state, Californians are making serious efforts every day to cut their water use during this extreme drought," said Amy Norris, spokeswoman for the California Environmental Protection Agency. "These efforts to conserve should not be undermined by the short-sighted actions of a few local jurisdictions, who chose to ignore the statewide crisis we face."
    http://news.yahoo.com/calif-couple-c...201644396.html

    I find this situation to be hilarious. Are there any other states where you can be punished for both doing something AND not doing that very same thing?
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  • #2
    If this is a singular incident, then it's clear everyone else has managed to find some happy medium between conserving water and maintaining the property. I have no sympathy.
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    • #3
      That city doesn't know what either hand is doing.
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      • #4
        The city government is clearly in the wrong.

        No doubt similar situations have happened with HOAs as well.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
          If this is a singular incident, then it's clear everyone else has managed to find some happy medium between conserving water and maintaining the property. I have no sympathy.
          Yup.

          I don't get why some random lawbreaker deserves to be cared about.
          To us, it is the BEAST.

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          • #6
            Yeah...looking at it, the watering fine isn't in effect until later this summer, and its for overwatering, however they are going to define it, and they rescinded the fine when the new state restrictions came out. So the one fine isn't contradicting the other. Plus, the description shows "large areas of just dirt", which is hard to achieve with just a few months of under watering. I think it's probably fair, and they are trying to embarrass the city out of sticking it.
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            • #7
              It's mid-July, they've got 2 weeks to water their lawn.
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              • #8
                Why doesn't california just price the water at a market-clearing rate and be done with this ridiculous system of defining what acceptable uses are for the water and what aren't?
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                • #9
                  Because water is considered a basic necessity...?

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                  • #10
                    So is food
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                    • #11
                      Man, I'm glad that the Connecticut Food Bureau goes through everybody's garbage and fines people who have thrown out too much.
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                      • #12
                        I'm glad people don't leave tons of food on their lawns. I'm glad food is easier to import from other regions than water.

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                        • #13
                          The actual answer (why this isn't on the table) is likely some combination of

                          1) status quo bias
                          2) intense instinctive dislike of governments operating via market forces (in other words, the fact that water is often provided by government leads to suboptimal allocation - so even though the natural monopoly of piping leads me to believe that there is some scope for government involvement in residential water supply, the enormous failure of governments to actually behave like reasonable agents correcting market failures leads me to weaken my faith in the scope of governments to help in other cases)
                          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                          Stadtluft Macht Frei
                          Killing it is the new killing it
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by AAAAAAAAH! View Post
                            I'm glad people don't leave tons of food on their lawns. I'm glad food is easier to import from other regions than water.
                            Are either of these supposed to be real arguments? People get utility from watering their lawns. And supply being inelastic is unsurprising given the vast underpricing.

                            Still waiting for any kind of rational explanation of what mechanism you think leads socially optimal pricing of water to differ from what it looks like in any other case (generally something like the market clearing rate)
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                            Killing it is the new killing it
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                            • #15
                              You're really out of touch with reality if you can't understand why people would object to the price of water skyrocketing during a drought because rich people want to have beautiful lawns.

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