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    (CNN) -- The police officer who fatally shot a 93-year-old woman at her home in Texas has been fired after a city council vote Saturday.

    Officer Stephen Stem was dismissed from the Hearne Police Department on Saturday after the city council voted 6-0 to take disciplinary action against him, said Jessica Vega, Hearne Police Department communications supervisor.
    Texas police shoot woman, 93

    Stem was advised by his attorney not to attend the council meeting, according to CNN affiliate KBTX.

    In the meantime, Texas Rangers continue the investigation into why Pearlie Golden, a longtime resident in this small town of about 4,600 people, was shot multiple times at her home Tuesday.

    A man believed to be a relative of Golden's made a 911 call asking for help from police, Robertson County District Attorney Coty Siegert said.

    "What I understand is (Hearne police) were called out because a woman was brandishing a firearm," Siegert said.

    "An officer asked her to put the handgun down, and when she would not, shots were fired."

    Hearne City Attorney Bryan Russ Jr. said Stem told Golden to drop her weapon at least three times.

    Stem fired three times, and Golden was hit at least twice, he said.

    She was transported to a local hospital, where she died.

    The Hearne Police Department placed Stem on administrative leave pending the inquiry.

    "We're very saddened by this. Everybody in the city government is deeply disappointed that this lady was killed," Russ said. "Now, the investigation is out of our hands. It's under the Texas Rangers, which is where we want it to be."

    According to police, the Texas Rangers have a revolver believed to have been in Golden's possession at the time of the shooting.

    Community members told CNN affiliate KBTX that Golden, known affectionately as "Ms. Sully," was a sweet woman.

    "Even if she did have a gun, she is in her 90s," Lawanda Cooke told KBTX. "They could have shot in the air to scare her. Maybe she would have dropped it. I don't see her shooting anyone."

    In a statement released to CNN affiliate KBTX on Friday, Stem's attorney Robert McCabe said he is "fully confident that Officer Stem's actions were immediately necessary and legally justified" and plans to meet with Stem next week to discuss his job termination.

    The case will eventually be presented to a grand jury, which is standard procedure when dealing with officer-involved incidents, Russ said.

    "I would expect people to be upset about this, a young police officer shooting a 93-year-old lady," Russ said. "I'm upset about it. Most of our citizens are upset, but at the same time I don't believe all the facts have come to the surface yet."
    http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/10/us...officer-fired/

    I don't understand the reasoning behind it. Surely the whole point of a gun is that it doesn't require any kind of physical training or fitness to operate. How is a 93 year old with a gun any less dangerous than a 21 year old with a gun?

    Anyone know if there's any more to this story?

  • #2
    Yeah it's pretty dumb, I recall someone saying something like "he should have fired in the air to warn her" as if firing guns in the air is remotely safe.

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    • #3
      Yeah, also presumably he'd have only fired if she'd pointed the gun at him or someone else. If he'd fired in the air and she'd shot someone, presumably everyone would have wanted to know why the **** he let her open fire.

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      • #4
        I'm going to go ahead and claim this as a victory for freedom.
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by kentonio View Post
          Yeah, also presumably he'd have only fired if she'd pointed the gun at him or someone else. If he'd fired in the air and she'd shot someone, presumably everyone would have wanted to know why the **** he let her open fire.
          Most likely, she did point it at someone. It is at that time that the cop would have been negligent NOT to shoot her. As to why he was fired... well, perhaps we don't know the whole story, but I'm inclined to believe it's political pressure on the council from outside sources.

          And you don't fire to wound or scare or any other reason. If you have to use your weapon, you use it to kill (And training typically is for three shots, not one).
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Donegeal View Post
            Most likely, she did point it at someone. It is at that time that the cop would have been negligent NOT to shoot her. As to why he was fired... well, perhaps we don't know the whole story, but I'm inclined to believe it's political pressure on the council from outside sources.

            And you don't fire to wound or scare or any other reason. If you have to use your weapon, you use it to kill (And training typically is for three shots, not one).
            Yeah, that was my point. If he'd shot in the air at that point like some parts of the media seem to be suggesting, he'd have been grossly negligent.

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            • #7
              This is why you NEVER, EVER WORK FOR THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. They will fire you for being competent. Had this man belonged to an organized private militia or some type of PMC, he would be receiving a raise right now.

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              • #8
                If she wanted to fight the law she should have gone with a rifle. A revolver isn't going to punch through those Kevlar vests the cops wear.
                John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Donegeal View Post
                  And you don't fire to wound or scare or any other reason.
                  Bull****. If somebody owes you money, a bullet to the foot or kneecap is an excellent motivator. You can't collect from a corpse.
                  John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Felch View Post
                    If she wanted to fight the law she should have gone with a rifle. A revolver isn't going to punch through those Kevlar vests the cops wear.
                    So you're advocating cop-killing. Interesting...
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                    • #11
                      I'm advocating bringing the right tool for the job.
                      John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                      • #12
                        Yeah; I just wanted to turn that one back on you real quick.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Felch View Post
                          I'm advocating bringing the right tool for the job.
                          If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Felch View Post
                            Bull****. If somebody owes you money, a bullet to the foot or kneecap is an excellent motivator. You can't collect from a corpse.
                            You can if you pay for life insurance on the person first.
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                            • #15
                              That's thinking ahead.
                              John Brown did nothing wrong.

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