Rape victim ordered to pay child support

[The Mad Monk]

It occurs to me that if the law says you cannot give consent, that should apply to all other actions the government can take regarding that situation.

[Kidlicious]

Typical Ben CRAP. You make up what he said and then ask him if he actually believes it. You are such a douche.
He never said the word 'legally' he just said consensual.

Even for a 15 year old there is a difference between consensual and not consensual even if the 15 year old "legally" can't give consent..
I'd expect even a virgin would know the difference.

Since you like to speak for your brother, do the both of you believe the same goes for a 15 year old girl. Might as well be talking about 12 year olds actually.

[Sava]

We all know you're a sociopath by your habitual trolling.

Indeed. But nevertheless, I know the difference between right and wrong. I just mostly choose to ignore it.

oh, and you also don't see me on any soap box complaining about any perceived injustices

[rah]

Please tell me where I spoke for my brother? I didn't say whether I agreed with him. I just pointed out Ben's normal MO.

The actual age is up for discussion. 12 is too young for either. But today's kids are more advanced then previous generations (I can't believe I just gave credit to more recent generations)
15 is borderline for me. I could be convinced that it's old enough.

[Kidlicious]

Indeed. But nevertheless, I know the difference between right and wrong. I just mostly choose to ignore it.

oh, and you also don't see me on any soap box complaining about any perceived injustices

Sociopaths perceive injustices by reading others.

[Sava]

But today's kids are more advanced then previous generations

Disagree completely. Kids are babied today more than at any point in history. Childhood lasts until the mid-20's... longer for some.

I've seen some evidence that the average age of puberty has gone down... but this probably has more to do with the ocean of chemicals that we live in.

[Sava]

Sociopaths perceive injustices by reading others.

All people do. It's basic human communication. How do I know that child slavery is bad if I can't see the effect it has on actual child slaves?

[Kidlicious]

Please tell me where I spoke for my brother? I didn't say whether I agreed with him. I just pointed out Ben's normal MO.

The actual age is up for discussion. 12 is too young for either. But today's kids are more advanced then previous generations (I can't believe I just gave credit to more recent generations)
15 is borderline for me. I could be convinced that it's old enough.

Yeah, and having sex earlier does not equal advanced ability to make good choices.
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There is one case where the boy was 12 and ordered to pay child support to the rapist.

You know, I just realized that you earlier said that a 19 year old man is not as good of a parent as a 34 year old sex offender on welfare. Also, you are saying a 15 year boy should be responsible for having sex with a milf that seduces him. Do you see the problem with that?

[rah]

Disagree completely. Kids are babied today more than at any point in history. Childhood lasts until the mid-20's... longer for some.

I've seen some evidence that the average age of puberty has gone down... but this probably has more to do with the ocean of chemicals that we live in.

You make a good point. But maybe just between the ages of 18-30. The earlier ages these days, kids are exposed to so much more through the connectivity. So I don't know. As I said, I could be convinced either way. But for guys at 15, I believe they are capable of consent. Girls (since I had a daughter) probably a year more. But again, a judgement call. Each individual is different so the standard should probably be kept a little lower for safety.

[Kidlicious]

All people do. It's basic human communication. How do I know that child slavery is bad if I can't see the effect it has on actual child slaves?

That's not exactly how it works. The sociopath only knows that others believe child slavery is wrong.

[loinburger]

There is one case where the boy was 12 and ordered to pay child support to the rapist.

Another case that you fabricated, you mean?

There is one case where you ate your own feces. It doesn't matter if it's true or not.

[rah]

Also, you are saying a 15 year boy should be responsible for having sex with a milf that seduces him. Do you see the problem with that?

I see a problem with a milf seducing a 15 year boy. Whether he should be responsible I think is debatable. Legally, I don't think so and think it's silly. In reality, I would guess the kid knew what he was doing and was thrilled to go along with it. But I don't have all the information to make a definitive determination of that.

There's some gray area here, despite a lot of people talking in absolutes here. It's not that straightforward.

I'm actually interested in the discussion.

[Kidlicious]

I think it's outrageous to hold a 15 year old accountable for being seduced by a grown woman. We were all 15 once. Are you all serious?

[Kidlicious]

Another case that you fabricated, you mean?

There is one case where you ate your own feces. It doesn't matter if it's true or not.

I'm not the pathological liar you make me out to be.

[pchang]

What's the difference between a pathological liar and a delusional schizophrenic?