Obama: 1in 5 women have been raped in the US

[Kidlicious]

I'm not sure that instinctive denial necessarily reflects latent misogyny; I think it may reflect more the strong revulsion we have for the crime, combined with its rare or unique deniability. You can't plausibly say "well, he wasn't murdered, he fell on the knife while the other guy was holding it in an innocent fashion" or "it wasn't robbery, he gave the stuff away and now he's grumpy so he smashed his own window." But claiming it was actually consensual sex is at least superficially plausible, and more appealing than believing that someone who appears likable, or perhaps was even a well-liked community figure, is actually some kind of predatory psycho. It's also the only possible defense if investigators find the defendant's semen on the girl. It's either "she really wanted it" or "welp, he's guilty, haul him away as soon as he gives me my attorney fees."

Now, the whole concept of pretending to be raped for revenge or attention seems rather nonsensical and doesn't stand up to logical scrutiny, nor would such a person be much less morally repellent than an actual rapist. But the absurdity serves to make it less repellent; we can't picture a serial liar-about-being-raped the way we can picture a smiling serial rapist. All this would only be aggravated in the case of gang rape, where we have to believe that like five guys have turned sexual assault into a kind of team sport. Much easier to believe it's just one of those girls being dramatic.

And, yeah, a few people like Kid in the crowd probably help the process along tremendously. I don't have a hard time believing this stuff happens. But I do have a hard time attributing it to a permissive culture, when we're so plainly horrified by it.

Gribbler, I can accept that. It's just not what "rape culture" seems to be used to mean, at least to me. EDIT: Would a culture that tolerates drunken hookups count? I think that definitely makes rape a LOT more likely, if they don't know each other real well and they're both plastered.

You accuse me of being responsible for rape? Wtf???!!! You need to get a ****ing grip on your hostility for me. What did I do to you?

[Kidlicious]

Does it count if a group of guys forces a woman to drink alcohol until she's delirious and then ****s her?

I shouldn't keep answering your stupid irrelevant questions.

[kentonio]

That's irrelevant. It doesn't cause rape.

If people think they can get away with rape, a lot more people commit rape. It's not ****ing complicated you ******.

[giblets]

I shouldn't keep answering your stupid irrelevant questions.

Too late

[Kidlicious]

Some drunk sex is rape, some is not. There is a fine line there sometimes.

Rape is clearly defined by the legal system

[Kidlicious]

Some drunk sex is rape, some is not. There is a fine line there sometimes.

Rape is clearly defined by the legal system

[rah]

But when you discuss consent with drugs and booze, not so clear.

[Kidlicious]

If people think they can get away with rape, a lot more people commit rape. It's not ****ing complicated you ******.

You're right about it not being complicated. No rapist thinks police and the legal system will let him get away with it. You live in a fantasy world

[rah]

If a rapist doesn't consider it rape, he thinks there's nothing to get away with.

[Kidlicious]

If a rapist doesn't consider it rape, he thinks there's nothing to get away with.

Then why do they hide

[rah]

Some don't

[Kidlicious]

Some don't

Maybe retards.

Actually high school students tend to not understand what rape is but that is evidence against rape culture

[giblets]

Raping your spouse wasn't even illegal until relatively recently, I guess past generations were mentally retarded.

[rah]

Many men in many cultures still don't believe forcing their spouses is rape,

[Kidlicious]

Raping your spouse wasn't even illegal until relatively recently, I guess past generations were mentally retarded.

Not everyone forced their wives to have sex with them. If rape were legal you would see more people doing it. What's your point?