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  • U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Originally posted by BGR
    U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality



    Any semblance of net neutrality in the United States is as good as dead. The United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia on Tuesday struck down the Federal Communications Commission’s 2010 order that imposed network neutrality regulations on wireline broadband services. The ruling is a major victory for telecom and cable companies who have fought all net neutrality restrictions vociferously for years.

    The original FCC order said that wireline ISPs ”shall not block lawful content, applications, services or non-harmful devices, subject to reasonable network management” while also mandating that ISPs “shall not unreasonably discriminate in transmitting lawful traffic over a consumer’s broadband Internet access service.”

    In its ruling against the FCC’s rules, the court said that such restrictions are not needed in part because consumers have a choice in which ISP they use.

    “Without broadband provider market power, consumers, of course, have options,” writes Judge Laurence Silberman, one of the judges on the panel, in his opinion in part agreeing and in part dissenting from the court’s decision. “They can go to another broadband provider if they want to reach particular edge providers or if their connections to particular edge providers have been degraded.”

    For anyone who lives in a market with limited competition for home broadband services, Silberman does acknowledge that you might have some “difficulty” in finding another provider but says that it’s still not reason enough to restrict what an ISP can do when it comes to managing its own traffic.

    “To be sure, some difficulty switching broadband providers is certainly a factor that might contribute to a firm’s having market power, but that itself is not market power,” he asserts. “There are many industries in which switching between competitors is not instantly achieved, but those industries may still be heavily disciplined by competitive forces because consumers will switch unless there are real barriers.”

    In fact, Silberman actually argues that the United States is overflowing with competitive options in the home broadband market and cites Google Fiber — which is currently available in only three markets — as evidence that competition is robust.

    “But there is no evidence in the record suggesting that broadband providers are carving up territory or avoiding head-to-head competition,” he writes. “At least anecdotally, the opposite seems to be true. Google has now entered the broadband market as a direct competitor.”
    http://bgr.com/2014/01/14/net-neutrality-court-ruling/

    Ffs..

  • #2
    If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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    • #3
      It actually kills FCC overreach. If the FCC wanted to have net neutrality it could reclassify ISPs as "common carriers".
      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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      • #4
        There's little doubt that this was the correct ruling regardless of the merits of net neutrality, but that hasn't stopped my facebook feed from going ape.
        If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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        • #5
          Mostly because the media tends to suck in reporting legal issues.
          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
            Mostly because the media tends to suck in reporting legal issues.
            Yes. What is most infuriating is that the media likes to treat the court system like it treats congress. It talks about rulings as if they SUPPOSED to be politically motivated, rather than a ruling on law. Some judges (incompetent ones) certainly have political motives behind their rulings, but it isn't the generally the job of the courts to determine good policy. News outlets never seem to understand this.
            If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
              There's little doubt that this was the correct ruling regardless of the merits of net neutrality, but that hasn't stopped my facebook feed from going ape.
              IIRC aren't you in favour of the destruction of net neutrality?

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              • #8
                Yes. Many of my friends are not. However, legally, the FCC clearly overreached its authority.
                If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                  Yes.
                  Cool, cool. Just wanted to double check that you were maintaining your record of being wrong about everything.

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                  • #10
                    If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                      Seriously, how in the name of **** can you support something like that?

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                      • #12
                        Government regulating the internet is a bad bad idea. I'd much rather take my chances with a company I can choose not to purchase from (and yes, ISPs are increasingly competitive--telecom is not the way it was 20 years ago).
                        If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
                        ){ :|:& };:

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                          Government regulating the internet is a bad bad idea. I'd much rather take my chances with a company I can choose not to purchase from (and yes, ISPs are increasingly competitive--telecom is not the way it was 20 years ago).
                          So one ISP signs a deal to give fast connection to several hugely popular sites and slow down their rivals significantly. Another ISP signs a deal to do a few others at expense of the rest. Etc etc. Great deal for you there, you've just gotten a significantly ****ter internet experience, but at least the pesky guvmint isn't regulating the internet eh?

                          Of course there's always the other scenario, where the ISPs simply start charging website owners for the level of speed they want. Probably resulting in most amateur sites closing or becoming practically unusable, and the owners of the commercial sites having to invent new ways to charge you the customer to offset the increased costs.

                          The internet was a revolution because it provided a truly free form of global communication. Actual freedom of speech in a world where that really hasn't ever existed. You want to hand that over to big business to twist every last cent out of and ruin in the process? **** is wrong with you?

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                          • #14
                            It comes down to the fact that I trust competitive businesses more than the government, and I am troubled by the thought of government regulating the internet in any way when the lack of such regulation is the reason for much of its success.
                            If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                            • #15
                              As part of the owner class, more corporate profits and less government regulation is all good. Stop being a wanker. Start being an owner.
                              “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

                              ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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