Why recording police is neccesary for liberty

[MRT144]

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/11/21/3769823_p2/in-miami-gardens-store-video-catches.html

Does anyone aside from police unions, police departments, and prosecuting attorneys, really oppose videotaping police and if so, why?

[giblets]

Why don't we videotape everyone for maximum liberty?

[MRT144]

Why don't we videotape everyone for maximum liberty?

Not everyone is potentially violating liberty at any given moment like cops are. and its unfeasible and just necessitates more hiring of cops. also, police officers should be held to a higher standard than the general population given their role in society.

[giblets]

Not true. Any able bodied person can violate someone else's liberty at will. Especially when guns are so easy to get. What's the crime rate of police officers relative to the general population?

How costly is it to videotape all police officers at all times? Not only do you have to pay for the cameras, you also make becoming a police officer less attractive when you invade their privacy and potentially have to offer police officers higher salaries in order to attract enough recruits.

[MRT144]

Not true. Any able bodied person can violate someone else's liberty at will. Especially when guns are so easy to get. What's the crime rate of police officers relative to the general population?

How costly is it to videotape all police officers at all times? Not only do you have to pay for the cameras, you also make becoming a police officer less attractive when you invade their privacy and potentially have to offer police officers higher salaries in order to attract enough recruits.

You mean crime rate in regards to prosecuted crimes or the rate at which cops violate civil liberties relative to the general population? Cops are probably at a worse rate than the general population.

And I'm sure it'll be cost feasible at some point shortly. You only really need to do the on duty officers as far as im concerned, but only because I naively believe cops will treat other cops the same as the rest of the citizenry when they're involved in a crime. Personally, I dont want cops who are uncomfortable being filmed on the job, because their job should absolutely be under scrutiny and accountability. Citizenry are categorically different than the profession of police officers.

[regexcellent]

What I heard from a deputy at my shooting range is that they considered strapping cameras to all of their officers' vests but the problem has to do with evidence chain of custody; if they wanted to use it in a case, they'd have to follow evidence rules or something for all of the recordings which would be a huge hassle.

FWIW said deputy was in favor of strapping cameras to all of the county's cops because of the fact that they could deflect a lot of bogus complaints with them.

[MRT144]

What I heard from a deputy at my shooting range is that they considered strapping cameras to all of their officers' vests but the problem has to do with evidence chain of custody; if they wanted to use it in a case, they'd have to follow evidence rules or something for all of the recordings which would be a huge hassle.

I find it interesting that there are efforts in some states to legally bar any attempts to record police officers. I can see what you describe as being an issue though.

I'll walk back my statement - Individual citizens should document any interaction with police they are involved with or observe. There should be no law abridging this ability from the citizenry and it is one of the few ways to keep police honest besides being a good person who becomes a police officer yourself (and then you become Serpico)

[SlowwHand]

WOW! You know about Serpico? Cool.

[Lorizael]

For my NaNo novel this year, I almost decided to write a story in which a society lives under persistent, pervasive surveillance/sousveillance, and the populace slowly begins to fail to notice that which cannot be recorded.

[MRT144]

For my NaNo novel this year, I almost decided to write a story in which a society lives under persistent, pervasive surveillance/sousveillance, and the populace slowly begins to fail to notice that which cannot be recorded.

I like it!

[MRT144]

WOW! You know about Serpico? Cool.

To be fair, my great love of Serpico isnt just because of the Al Pacino movie, or the real life story -

[Hauldren Collider]

I don't really understand the novel writing month. It seems like trying to land the space shuttle before you learn to drive a car. Why a novel? Why not a short story?

[MRT144]

I don't really understand the novel writing month. It seems like trying to land the space shuttle before you learn to drive a car. Why a novel? Why not a short story?

How about a poem?

[Felch]

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[MRT144]

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