Pope sends direct message to Ben

[Ben Kenobi]

AS I NOTED, you can use a regular deck... but it's not a rook deck, and in rook, there are no aces... so again, his expression makes no sense for rook, just as it doesn't make any sense for bridge. He's the one that brought up the fact that rook uses a different deck, so he must be familiar with the game and know there are no aces in rook.

Rook uses colored cards numbers 1-14. Red, Yellow/Orange, Green and Black. With 1s high like aces. Once again, Ming is totally wrong here.

I don't know which is sadder - the fact that Ming is demonstrating his ignorance of the game, or that he's staking his claim of intellectual superiority over a game he's never seen or played but looked up once on Wikipedia, after I made reference.

[molly bloom]

- one of whom took 10 axe chops as a 65 year old woman, we can be certain that they died of sepsis in prison and not a ****ing execution.

Or was he that much of a ***** that he had to kill the lady because she was a revolutionary who could overthrow him?

65 year old women.

Thomas Cranmer, once Archbishop of Canterbury, was burnt at the stake on Mary Tudor's orders, because of his faith. Not because he plotted to overthrow her, or took up arms against her, but because she revived statutes relating to heresy from the Mediaeval era to buttress her planned (and failed) revivification of the Roman Catholic faith.

Thomas Cranmer was 67 when he died. Two years older than the Countess and he was author of the Book of Common Prayer. Does this mean Anglicans win on the two years age difference ?

But the bachelor of divinity was more earnest with him: unto whom he answered, that, as concerning his recantation, he repented it right sore, because he knew it was against the truth; with other words more. Whereby the Lord Williams cried, 'Make short, make short.' Then the bishop took certain of his friends by the hand. But the bachelor of divinity refused to take him by the hand, and blamed all the others that so did, and said, he was sorry that ever he came in his company. And yet again he required him to agree to his former recantation. And the bishop answered, (showing his hand), 'This was the hand that wrote it, and therefore shall it suffer first punishment.'
Fire being now put to him, he stretched out his right hand, and thrust it into the flame, and held it there a good space, before the fire came to any other part of his body; where his hand was seen of every man sensibly burning, crying with a loud voice, 'This hand hath offended.' As soon as the fire got up, he was very soon dead, never stirring or crying all the while.

http://englishhistory.net/tudor/pcranmer.html

Mary made martyrs for their faith out of Cranmer, Latimer and Ridley. By marrying a Spaniard, she made nationalists out of even English Catholics.

[Ben Kenobi]

You mention them, you name them.

I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge that yes, in fact, that Elizabeth executed Catholics for their faith. Are you conceding this point?

Otherwise, you're STILL an intellectual nullity as well as a liar and a fantasist. And a bigot.

Right, a bigot because I'm asserting that 'Good Queen Bess' isn't as good as her press clippings? And that, perhaps, someone with a grammar school education in England perhaps isn't the most objective person to assess this?

At grammar school we were reading Jacobean parliamentary reports in the original English, 17th Century French, and mediaeval English. Still, I like to give you something to aim for.

I don't know which is funnier. The fact that you think it's impressive, or the fact that you're simply trying to snow those who don't know better.

Yes, I'm sure that the diaries of Pitt the younger are somewhat more challenging than 'Dick and Jane'.

[Ben Kenobi]

another fantastic example of you being proven wrong and then coming back with the same ridiculous assertion.

What's ridiculous about it? It's uncommon, but English does use it, contrary to what Elok asserted.

[molly bloom]

Actual named people? Since you're already in Catholic Encylopedia looking through the martyrologies, you have them already.

I'm sorry, but that won't do.

You mention them, you name them. Otherwise, you're STILL an intellectual nullity as well as a liar and a fantasist. And a bigot.

[molly bloom]

That you kept from Grammar school?

Oh my, how hilarious. It's a reference to a Kliban cartoon.



At grammar school we were reading Jacobean parliamentary reports in the original English, 17th Century French, and mediaeval English. Still, I like to give you something to aim for.

[Ming]

Never heard of rook, but wikipedia claims you can play rook with normal cards, and specifically mentions the aces.

I will repeat what I said earlier...

Now you will probably try to worm you way out by saying something like "well if you use a regular deck of cards to play instead of a rook deck, there are aces" but that still doesn't explain why this would be a common rook "expression" since rook decks don't have aces.

Yes, AS I NOTED, you can use a regular deck... but it's not a rook deck, and in rook, there are no aces... so again, his expression makes no sense for rook, just as it doesn't make any sense for bridge. He's the one that brought up the fact that rook uses a different deck, so he must be familiar with the game and know there are no aces in rook.

Or then again, probably, not... he was just pulling **** out of his ass as usual when he is caught in yet another mistake.

[kentonio]

Sure, but I have little patience with folks who burned other people getting burnt when the tables turn. Hey - don't like getting burnt at stake - don't burn other people!

You think the 300 odd people burned by Mary had all burned other people? Are you stupid?

There was no rebellion - it was pure tyranny.

Everyone has disputed that, saying that it was 'rebellion' and that the executions were justified. No - they weren't justified. Not under Henry, not under Elizabeth.

The Revolt of the Northern Earls didn't happen?

[Elok]

another fantastic example of you being proven wrong and then coming back with the same ridiculous assertion.

I don't know who taught him how English "was spoke," but they did a meh job of it.

[C0ckney]

And I'm talking about folks who actually were executed.

then provide some evidence for your claims. for both henry and elizabeth.

Everyone has disputed that, saying that it was 'rebellion' and that the executions were justified. No - they weren't justified. Not under Henry, not under Elizabeth.

no they haven't. no one has. please stop lying.

we're talking about the numbers. you have constantly tried to inflate the numbers killed by protestant monarchs and minimise those by catholic ones. you have been corrected several times, by molly and myself, yet you continue to post them.

I find it telling that someone can recite a laundry list, but hasn't even heard of the Pilgrimage of Grace. See - this is the historical distortion that needs to be corrected.

you mean the pilgrimage of grace that i mentioned in post 393, which you replied to. imbecile.

[C0ckney]

English [uses] the imperfect tense

another fantastic example of you being proven wrong and then coming back with the same ridiculous assertion.

[Ben Kenobi]

Name them. Provide the list, or remain a liar.

Actual named people? Since you're already in Catholic Encylopedia looking through the martyrologies, you have them already.

[Ben Kenobi]

i've already demolished you over henry. i thought we were talking about elizabeth. i'm telling you that someone dying in prison is not the same as them being executed. do try to keep up.

And I'm talking about folks who actually were executed.

yes some were killed for their faith, no one has ever disputed that of course.

Everyone has disputed that, saying that it was 'rebellion' and that the executions were justified. No - they weren't justified. Not under Henry, not under Elizabeth.

numbers which you have consistently tried to inflate.

I haven't even mentioned the Famine yet either.

around that time, a lot of people died for their religion. all the various 'heretics', the patarini, the dulcinians, the waldensians, the lollards. the victims of the albigensian crusade, the hussite wars, the inquisition, the counter reformation, the wars of religion in france etc.

I find it telling that someone can recite a laundry list, but hasn't even heard of the Pilgrimage of Grace. See - this is the historical distortion that needs to be corrected.

[Ben Kenobi]

Oh wow, you've suddenly found some human compassion for a poor woman who was basically hacked to death? Good, you should feel compassion for her. Now, how about you find some for the 300 odd people who were tied to a stake of wood, surrounded with more wood and then set fire to?

Under Henry?

You don't think they might just have suffered a bit more standing there feeling themselves being slowly cooked alive?

Sure, but I have little patience with folks who burned other people getting burnt when the tables turn. Hey - don't like getting burnt at stake - don't burn other people!

I don't recall Jesus telling the early Christians to rise up in armed rebellion to try and overthrow and kill the Romans. Which part of the bible did that happen in again?

They didn't. That's the point I'm hammering home. Catholics were executed for stating that they believe in the sanctity of Marriage (More, etc), or for trying to go to mass, performing Mass, or in the case of some, "being a plantagenet and Catholic".

There was no rebellion - it was pure tyranny.

[Ben Kenobi]

Nikolai's link suggests that if you are using aces, they are high, so it's even more confusing.

Not if you consider that I believe Henry VIII to be the highest card that could be played in this situation.