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Berz, why are you reading it so literally, but you say eating the fruit represents procreation? Their punishment is having children. Their sin was disobeying God.
Uh, no. That's not what the sentence says. At all. The sentence says that Eden itself was 'to the east'. Which makes me wonder is it because he saw something which said, "the Garden is here", or how the writer knew that Eden was to the east of him. It's an intriguing statement, really.
Yes, it is an intriguing statement. But the sentence does say Eden was eastward of where the man was made. Even if you disagree with that, fair enough, but it does say the man was made elsewhere and taken to the Garden and Eve was made later. They were not made in the same place or on the same day and that disqualifies them as the 6th Day male and female in Gen 1:27.
Where does the bible actually say this?
When they didn't have children until they were kicked out of the Garden... If they were among the 6th Day people they would have been out there being fruitful and filling the Earth. They weren't doing that, once they did God got mad and evicted them from the Garden.
The text says God took the man eastward to his Garden. He took the man from where he created him. Not where you think the writer lived, wherever that is.
Uh, no. That's not what the sentence says. At all. The sentence says that Eden itself was 'to the east'. Which makes me wonder is it because he saw something which said, "the Garden is here", or how the writer knew that Eden was to the east of him. It's an intriguing statement, really.
And that means Adam was made in the west and taken eastward to Eden. Where was Eve?
No, it doesn't mean that at all. The story isn't in first person, Berzerker.
No, 'eastward of where the guy writing Genesis lives'. It's an interesting statement by the chronicle writer.
The text says God took the man eastward to his Garden. He took the man from where he created him. Not where you think the writer lived, wherever that is.
No, that's not what it means at all. He would specify, "east of Eden", which is not what the passage says. The passage says that Eden itself is "in the east".
And that means Adam was made in the west and taken eastward to Eden. Where was Eve?
Oh. Where does the bible state this?
When it says Adam and Eve were not being fruitful and filling the Earth as God "commanded" on the 6th Day. Adam and Eve weren't there, they were later creations. When they were fruitful God became mad and kicked them out of the Garden.
Eastward from where mankind was made on the 6th Day, he was taken from there eastward to Eden.
No, 'eastward of where the guy writing Genesis lives'. It's an interesting statement by the chronicle writer.
Adam was made somewhere west of Eden and taken eastward to work the Garden.
No, that's not what it means at all. He would specify, "east of Eden", which is not what the passage says. The passage says that Eden itself is "in the east".
Why are you having so much trouble parsing this, Berz?
They were not the male and female created on the 6th Day.
Now the curious thing you really should be asking is eastwards of what?
Eastward from where mankind was made on the 6th Day, he was taken from there eastward to Eden. Thats exactly what it means, Adam was made somewhere west of Eden and taken eastward to work the Garden. Eve was made later in the Garden when God decided he needed a companion. They were not the male and female created on the 6th Day.
Not when Cain murdered Abel. They were both adults by then.
And they were Adam and Eve's only children
Isn't that what I was saying - they were kicked out for disobedience to the explicit instructions of God. Face it Berz - your hypothesis is untenable.
You said they were kicked out of the Garden for dis-obedience, not me. They weren't kicked out for disobedience, I'll quote God again:
"And Jehovah God saith, `Lo, the man was as one of Us, as to the knowledge of good and evil; and now, lest he send forth his hand, and have taken also of the tree of life, and eaten, and lived to the age,' -- 23 Jehovah God sendeth him forth from the garden of Eden
They were kicked out so they couldn't partake of the tree of life. There is nothing in there about them being punished for dis-obedience.
I said they were dis-obeying God's instructions to the 6th Day people, they were not being fruitful and filling the world. They only did that after they got kicked out of the Garden. And thats why they got kicked out, procreation in the Garden was a no-no... You were also wrong about Adam and Eve becoming one in the flesh because of marriage, they were one because Eve was made from Adam's rib.
Adam and Eve were the only other people according to you, Cain didn't fear them.
Not when Cain murdered Abel. They were both adults by then.
I said they only began being fruitful and filling the world after getting kicked out of the Garden. Dont you get it? While they were in the Garden they were dis-obeying the instructions God
Isn't that what I was saying - they were kicked out for disobedience to the explicit instructions of God. Face it Berz - your hypothesis is untenable.
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