Pope sends direct message to Ben

[kentonio]

Jon Miller

[kentonio]

Compared to marriage? No, it's not even close.

Says the man whose never done either!

Which denomination?

CofE like most religious English people.

Then you concede that this study would have absolutely no concern on me.

You'd love to be have the strength of millions of Catholics in full agreement with you. It demolishes your arguments however when it's shown that despite their beliefs they end up doing exactly what you hate regardless. Nice attempt to move the argument onto something irrelevant however, it didn't go unnoticed.

I believe that all of these can be saved if they turn away from their sins. Including Liberals. Jesus loves all of them.

Why wouldn't he, considering that he was apparently the biggest socialist and liberal of them all. Shame that you can't show a little Jesus-like grace however, and stop your hate. Given that you've already admitted in this thread to hating several people, you're clearly not following Augustine's idea of 'With love for mankind and hatred of sins'.

[Ben Kenobi]

You also didn't answer my question

I did answer your question and quoted some statistics.

Living with someone in a committed relationship is a huge commitment

Compared to marriage? No, it's not even close.

Yep, strongly Christian.

Which denomination?

I absolutely believe you're a fundamentalist. You fit the definition in your link precisely.

Then you concede that this study would have absolutely no concern on me.

A common behavior of The Fundamentalist is a tendency to dehumanize or demonize those not in line with their particular brand of belief
You do that regularly with gays, atheists, socialists, liberals and many others.

I believe that all of these can be saved if they turn away from their sins. Including Liberals. Jesus loves all of them.

[kentonio]

You are giving this product of anal creampie more attention than he deserves.

True. Ah well, his names in the thread title. At least this is being confined to here.

[kentonio]

It's a commitment. You're telling this woman that you want to be married to her and not just some general shacking up till whenever you can replace her with someone else who's hotter, whatever. You're also telling her family this and your family this. Statistically, you're likely to stay together longer, and less likely to break up and, bonus of bonus, will have more sex.

This is a pretty telling sign of your ignorance. Living with someone in a committed relationship is a huge commitment, and blowing that off as 'some general shacking up' just shows that you don't actually know what you're talking about. The idea that married couples have more sex is also pretty laughable.

Oddly enough not 'strongly Christian'.

Yep, strongly Christian.

Well let's see.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheFundamentalist

If I'm that, then I wouldn't have the doubt.

Apparently you believe that I'm not a fundamentalist. So what am I?

I absolutely believe you're a fundamentalist. You fit the definition in your link precisely.

A common behavior of The Fundamentalist is a tendency to dehumanize or demonize those not in line with their particular brand of belief

You do that regularly with gays, atheists, socialists, liberals and many others.

[Ben Kenobi]

You are giving this product of anal creampie more attention than he deserves.

Apparently sava's cart is slow today.

[Ben Kenobi]

Don't be an idiot, there's a different between liking working, and liking having independence and choice in the direction of your life. Putting up with the crap of working for a living is the price of the latter.

And many women that I know really want to stay and home and look after their kids.

Maybe you should stop thinking of women as baby creating machines then, and show them a little more respect as complete human beings and equals.

Right, because being a mother is exactly the same as being an incubator.

Son, there's a hot/crazy scale you may be familiar... There's crazy hot and there's just plain crazy.

Ok, now you've conceded that 'converting gays' is bull****

Stating that people can overcome their sexual desires is bull****? I guess we should shut down AA too.

The actual figure for 2011 from the CDC was that male on male sexual contact accounted for 62% of cases, not '90%+'.

Interesting. 5 percent of the population makes up 62 percent of the total. That's what, 15x the incidence ratio? I'm not exactly seeing your argument here.

Ah yes because one man talking about how people should lead a moral life is evidence that a vast empire collapsed because of homosexuals. God you're a joke.

Maybe you should actually look up Marcus Aurelius. I'm sorry for assuming that the name would have meaning to a plebian.

I think it's sad that you've never had the opportunity to find out how ridiculous what you're saying is. One day you're going to look back and think how much of a fool you've been wasting your youth waiting.

I know, right. It's such a moral dilemma. Christ or Kentonio, who to believe?

It's hilarious that you just cited an article that not only repeatedly said 'in some women', but also included this gem..

"If another method of contraception is not an option, the lesser of 2 evils is often to take a pill that diminishes sex drive rather than worry about an unplanned pregnancy."

Which concedes the point at hand that the pill does in fact reduce sexual desire in woman. Thanks, Kentonio.

Good work.

Thank you! I was proud of that!

Personally I'm still good friends with nearly all my ex's. That's mostly because I value friendship over starry eyed bull**** about spirit.

Did you tell them that you felt that the sex was awesome, you just didn't think you had a real connection? Somehow I doubt that...

I wouldn't worry about it, you'd almost certainly never find out. Check out the statistics on how many married women have had affairs if you fancy depressing yourself some time.

I wonder if it's the same percentage as those who get divorced?

I'm sure the amount of ****s they give about your opinion could be counted on the fingers of no hands.

Oddly enough the feeling is mutual.

Please explain exactly what you think the actual difference is. Go on I'm genuinely interested. In terms of day to day life, not some religious bull****.

It's a commitment. You're telling this woman that you want to be married to her and not just some general shacking up till whenever you can replace her with someone else who's hotter, whatever. You're also telling her family this and your family this. Statistically, you're likely to stay together longer, and less likely to break up and, bonus of bonus, will have more sex.

You want practicality, I don't think it gets more practical than that.

Yep.

What if I told you that people aren't just meatbags?

I actually have very few. My last long term girlfriend was quite strongly religious. Who would have imagined such a thing, eh.

Oddly enough not 'strongly Christian'.

You said you can't just bail on marriage, 50% of marriages involve people doing exactly that. I don't see how much more compelling it can be.

What percentage of all cohabiting relationships eventually fail?

It really burns you how much that study completely undermines your beliefs doesn't it.

Well let's see.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheFundamentalist

If I'm that, then I wouldn't have the doubt.

Apparently you believe that I'm not a fundamentalist. So what am I?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HidingBehindReligion

I'm apparently not this either. Because then doubt wouldn't matter whatsoever.

I think you need to bone up on your tropes if you think I'm seriously bothered by that study. You don't know me very well.

[Sava]

You are giving this product of anal creampie more attention than he deserves.

[Ben Kenobi]

protip: if there's smoking going on, use more lube

I was waiting for that!

[kentonio]

I have spoken to many, working and not. Most I've spoken to hate working and really would prefer not working. Why do they work? For the same reason the men do - to provide for their families.

I don't think men and women are drastically different in their outlooks here. I'm really not seeing the consensus of women saying, "gosh I love working. I think it's awesome."

Don't be an idiot, there's a different between liking working, and liking having independence and choice in the direction of your life. Putting up with the crap of working for a living is the price of the latter.

That right there. Referring to a mother as an incubator? Ok. That's a good way to get on my, 'let some other dude deal with them list'.

Maybe you should stop thinking of women as baby creating machines then, and show them a little more respect as complete human beings and equals.

As opposed to telling them the truth that 90+ percent of HIV infections occur in Gay men?

Ok, now you've conceded that 'converting gays' is bull****, let's move onto your new nonsense. The actual figure for 2011 from the CDC was that male on male sexual contact accounted for 62% of cases, not '90%+'.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/basics/

Yeah - it did. Why do you think they were recruiting so many barbarians? On both sides of the Limes? When you've got friendly barbarians fighting enemy barbarians, it kinda dulls the whole 'Roman Empire' aspect of it.

I could just quote Marcus Aurelius on the importance of leading a moral life.

I'll take Marcus Aurelius' word over yours.

Ah yes because one man talking about how people should lead a moral life is evidence that a vast empire collapsed because of homosexuals. God you're a joke.

I believe it to be neither. You're the one saying that it doesn't matter and yet you feel compelled to pay to put a rubber on and will not engage in your most nearest intimacy without one. I think that's rather sad.

I think it's sad that you've never had the opportunity to find out how ridiculous what you're saying is. One day you're going to look back and think how much of a fool you've been wasting your youth waiting.

http://www.doctoroz.com/blog/lauren-...es-away-libido

Yes, it's obviously a plot designed by men. Who knew that messing with the exact same hormones that promote sexual desire would have consequences...

It's hilarious that you just cited an article that not only repeatedly said 'in some women', but also included this gem..

"If another method of contraception is not an option, the lesser of 2 evils is often to take a pill that diminishes sex drive rather than worry about an unplanned pregnancy."

Good work.

So all the lists of women then have no real connection between yourself and them, correct? Despite having lots of sex?

Personally I'm still good friends with nearly all my ex's. That's mostly because I value friendship over starry eyed bull**** about spirit.

Sounds like a fantastic decision on her part. Gosh I can't see that backfiring.

I wouldn't worry about it, you'd almost certainly never find out. Check out the statistics on how many married women have had affairs if you fancy depressing yourself some time.

You mean the same ones who live by themselves because they are too busy having a career and then wonder why they can't get a man? Yeah, been there, seen that. Worked with many of them at school.

I'm sure the amount of ****s they give about your opinion could be counted on the fingers of no hands.

Right because your totally, 'not marriage' is *exactly the same* as marriage and it pisses you off that people don't agree with you on this. No, it's not.

Please explain exactly what you think the actual difference is. Go on I'm genuinely interested. In terms of day to day life, not some religious bull****.

Right, that's because marriage is wholly practical and has nothing to do with spiritual things. It's just a piece of paper, right?

Yep.

Funny, I get that vibe from you - that there are plenty of non-negotiables and red lines that you carry around. You just don't thnk they are a big deal because they are your own.

I actually have very few. My last long term girlfriend was quite strongly religious. Who would have imagined such a thing, eh.

Gosh the fornicator trumps out the argument, "hey but some marriages suck too!" extremely compelling argument Kentonio!

You said you can't just bail on marriage, 50% of marriages involve people doing exactly that. I don't see how much more compelling it can be.

I know why that survey was crafted, so that folks like you can say, "hey, everyone does it", the folks that don't are strange and weird, and, dare we say, repressed.

It really burns you how much that study completely undermines your beliefs doesn't it.

[self biased]

I'm told some are even smokers.

protip: if there's smoking going on, use more lube.

[Ben Kenobi]

Don't people from the UK bum fags on a regular basis?

I'm told some are even smokers.

[Ben Kenobi]

Plenty of women are happy with that life, and good for them, but you're talking about societal norms and how you believe 'most' women want nothing more than to marry and have kids and stay at home. That isn't true which you'd find out in seconds if you actually went and talked to some women outside your catholic church once in a while.

I have spoken to many, working and not. Most I've spoken to hate working and really would prefer not working. Why do they work? For the same reason the men do - to provide for their families.

I don't think men and women are drastically different in their outlooks here. I'm really not seeing the consensus of women saying, "gosh I love working. I think it's awesome."

Like I said, you want a submissive little slave to act as a cleaner, maid and incubator. It's rather sad.

That right there. Referring to a mother as an incubator? Ok. That's a good way to get on my, 'let some other dude deal with them list'.

Telling children that they are unwell and can change because they are born gay, is absolutely horrific and falls well within the realms of child abuse. No-one willing to torture a child like that deserves to be anywhere near children.

As opposed to telling them the truth that 90+ percent of HIV infections occur in Gay men?

No it didn't, don't be ****ing ridiculous.

Yeah - it did. Why do you think they were recruiting so many barbarians? On both sides of the Limes? When you've got friendly barbarians fighting enemy barbarians, it kinda dulls the whole 'Roman Empire' aspect of it.

If you want to continue with this babble, then provide some firm evidence that the Roman empire fell because of homosexuals bringing down the birthrate.

I could just quote Marcus Aurelius on the importance of leading a moral life.

Obviously you won't do that, because it's utterly ridiculous. How you have the cheek to call yourself a historian is beyond me..

I'll take Marcus Aurelius' word over yours.

The sad thing is that you're trying to play the part of someone who thinks about more than just meaningless sex, yet at the same time somehow believes that sex is nothing more than the sensation on your dick. You should try actually getting laid some time, then you might not sound so utterly ridiculous when you talk about it.

I believe it to be neither. You're the one saying that it doesn't matter and yet you feel compelled to pay to put a rubber on and will not engage in your most nearest intimacy without one. I think that's rather sad.

Ridiculous.

http://www.doctoroz.com/blog/lauren-streicher-md/when-taking-pill-takes-away-libido

Yes, it's obviously a plot designed by men. Who knew that messing with the exact same hormones that promote sexual desire would have consequences...

Speaking of someone who actually has some experience of this, I can tell you that it makes very little difference. Please explain how you feel any kind of qualification to talk about the difference?

I've spoken with those who've had both - and they say that it's much better without. But go on - keep your rubber on.

Obviously. It's completely moronic.

So all the lists of women then have no real connection between yourself and them, correct? Despite having lots of sex?

Except she won't, she'll probably just go and **** him because you're leaving her unfulfilled.

Sounds like a fantastic decision on her part. Gosh I can't see that backfiring.

Oh so now there are legitimate alternatives? How about you spell them out, rather than suddenly being so vague?

Read up in the thread. Billings is one.

You are completely wrong on this. If you want to claim otherwise, supply some evidence to support your wild claim.

Again, I talk with many who don't share your opinion of things.

That's because you're an idiot. Go and try telling those college grads that they'd be happier on their hands and knees scrubbing the floors at home for a nice husband, and see how fast they tell you to go die in a fire.

You mean the same ones who live by themselves because they are too busy having a career and then wonder why they can't get a man? Yeah, been there, seen that. Worked with many of them at school.

So basically you're just as much of a naive, misogynist in real life, you just talk as much so people don't notice. You think this is good?

I'm also an amazing poker bluffer. Don't forget that!

Because it's stupid. Shocker: sometimes people say stupid ****.

Well the story ends and it wasn't that great for her.

That's because you're a jackass who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

Right because your totally, 'not marriage' is *exactly the same* as marriage and it pisses you off that people don't agree with you on this. No, it's not.

In practical terms the only difference between a marriage and a committed relationship

Right, that's because marriage is wholly practical and has nothing to do with spiritual things. It's just a piece of paper, right?

I don't know what crazy ass mental picture you have of marriage

Some refer to it as Christian marriage.

Every statement you make is a clear indicator that you're not used to compromising.

Funny, I get that vibe from you - that there are plenty of non-negotiables and red lines that you carry around. You just don't thnk they are a big deal because they are your own.

As for 'bailing' on marriage, considering something like half of marriages end in divorce these days

Gosh the fornicator trumps out the argument, "hey but some marriages suck too!" extremely compelling argument Kentonio!

You've spoken many times about this perfect marriage with a nice submissive woman who thinks the same as you and is willing to follow the same strict biblical rules etc etc. The reality of living with another human being as a couple is going to leave most of that looking really naive.

That's a rather elaborate mental picture you've formed. I'm impressed.

If you believe that is statistically significant, then you're delusional.

I know why that survey was crafted, so that folks like you can say, "hey, everyone does it", the folks that don't are strange and weird, and, dare we say, repressed.

That's like the cardinal sin of today. Oh noes - you're repressed. It's the new scarlet letter!

[DinoDoc]

Not acceptable homophobic language IMO.

Don't people from the UK bum fags on a regular basis?

Also do you post here?

[Ben Kenobi]

It's ok Mike. It's from Excellent Banana Collider. Paragon of manliness.