Pope sends direct message to Ben

[molly bloom]

What was demonstrably incorrect?

Where should I start ?

More is written on the last 15 years than on the previous 35.

So where's the proof behind this assertion ? Let's see the survey.

Again, it's not bull****. England was a Catholic bulwark for 10 centuries prior to Henry VIII. Historical fact.

Your misreading- or partial reading.

And again - the literature of the period pales in comparison what is written about in the period from the last 15 years of Henry VIII's life to, say, Elizabeth's death.

Opinion presented as fact. Boring.

And your point is what? That there are some books written? Sure. Ask the average bloke who Edward III is and who Henry VIII is. Who is he more likely to recognize?

Shakespeare wrote a play on Henry VIII, Charles Laughton appeared in a famous film about him, Keith Michell in a B.B.C. series on the 6 wives of Henry. Henry famously founded the Church of England and split from a corrupt unreformed Roman church.

Gee, wonder why Henry's more famous than the man who won at Sluys.

Can't imagine.

Why would I be ignorant as to what you are taught in History, when I've been calling you out for the entire thread?

Because ignorance is your bliss. You don't have a clue about my education, its quality, how I was taught or by whom. It's self-evidently better than yours, and that's not a boast, just a plain fact.

Mary Queen of Scots was innocent.

Of the Jack the Ripper murders, undoubtedly.

They did, as William III, the King of the Dutch was sole king over England, as Canute himself had been long before.

The Dutch did not conquer the English, as I've demonstrated. I suggest you read '1688 The Seaborne Alliance & Diplomatic Revolution'- proceedings of an international symposium held at the Maritime Museum in Greenwich in 1988.

Of course it might be rather hard for you, as it contains an awful lot of facts.

And ruled solely by the King of the Dutch.

Prince William of Orange was a Stadholder in the Netherlands- this does not equate to King. He was not even Duke of Gelderland. Wrong Again DUMBARSE!

She executed her own heir apparent and the Queen of Scots.

Mary Stuart ceased to be Queen of Scotland on her son's taking the throne. She was not therefore a 'ruler' of anywhere when she was executed.

Again, your poor grasp of English and history lets you down- you clearly don't understand 'heir apparent', 'fief' or that 'rulers' is the plural, not singular form of the word.


Face it, you're sh!t at history, and I just trod on you.

[molly bloom]

It is odd that those who condemn historical revisionism fail to blame Islam for the Armenian genocide, an event that happened not all that long ago.

So a religion was responsible for the Armenian holocaust. Erm, given that the German Empire (which when I checked was a Christian organisation) kicked off the 20th Century with its first genocide, the massacre of the Hereros and Namaqua people in German South West Africa, doesn't that, using your logic, mean that Christianity was responsible for that genocide ?

And of course, as Hitler's Germany had a national church and a concordat with the Vatican, doesn't this also imply that Christianity was responsible for Europe's wrost ever genocide- the attempted eradication of Western European Jewry, as a culture, people and religion ?

But that's because it would mean admitting that Islam believes that genocide is perfectly acceptable.

The Old Testament seems to. Isn't that part of the Christian Bible ?

Could you find me the part of the Koran or the specific hadith or hadiths which say that genocide is acceptable ?

Soon we'll see you denying the holocaust.

Alas, I don't have the 'benefit' of your history degree so I have to use ordinary toilet roll and avoid making such absurd errors.

[molly bloom]

History is a joke subject that anyone could get a degree in.

Not when you study it properly, and clearly that's not at a university which accepted mind reading ex-pizza delivery men as students. It was quite a tough subject at my university, for instance.

[molly bloom]

Does it match the tally of 1 billion abortions? Or even Stalin's 60 million? Or Hitler's 20 million? How about Mao? How about Pol Pot? And that's just THIS century?

Who cares ? You clearly don't, since you couldn't be bothered to get the original facts about the Inquisition correct.

Oh, and Hitler was a religious type- believed in a creator and was brought up a Catholic. Neither Mao nor Stalin were religious types, believing in a loving, forgiving god- unlike all those Dominican monks happy to see torture used on inncoent people in the name of their faith.

[giblets]

What university was tricked into giving you a history degree again? I assume you endlessly whined about how hard your poor life is until they gave you a degree out of pity. It certainly wasn't because of any ****ing history knowledge you embarrasing little man.

History is a joke subject that anyone could get a degree in.

[PLATO]

Yes, we're all amazed. The bar must have been set pretty low.

Not really that amazing...

http://www.cooldegrees.com/

Ben, you should invest in your doctorate as well...that would give you even more self assumed forum cred!

[C0ckney]

ben, all your ridiculous assertions have already been destroyed in this thread, and here you are again repeating them.

you are the worst catholic apologist ever. you make all catholics look like a bunch of intellectually dishonest know nothings.

[kentonio]

What university was tricked into giving you a history degree again? I assume you endlessly whined about how hard your poor life is until they gave you a degree out of pity. It certainly wasn't because of any ****ing history knowledge you embarrasing little man.

[Ben Kenobi]

Now looking at the death tolls of Dutch/Flemish heretics, Cathars, Huguenots, Anabaptists, anti-Trinitarians, Amerindians, Hindus, Jews, marranos, conversos, moriscos, et cetera, et cetera, and using your impeccable grasp of statistics and guesswork, I've come to the conclusion that the Catholic Church annihilated more people than have ever lived on earth.

Does it match the tally of 1 billion abortions? Or even Stalin's 60 million? Or Hitler's 20 million? How about Mao? How about Pol Pot? And that's just THIS century?

[Ben Kenobi]

Or alternatively, nationalism. After all, the Tsarist Russian government encouraged Armenians in the Ottoman Empire to fight against the Ottoman Turks.

It is odd that those who condemn historical revisionism fail to blame Islam for the Armenian genocide, an event that happened not all that long ago.

But that's because it would mean admitting that Islam believes that genocide is perfectly acceptable.

Still, I suppose switching to the Armenian Genocide gives you yet another area of history in which your splendidly dense approach to logic, facts and fact checking can be demonstrated in all its baroque finery.

Soon we'll see you denying the holocaust.

[Ben Kenobi]

Overlooking the point that what you said was demonstrably incorrect- as shown by me and Cockney.

What was demonstrably incorrect? That Henry VIII was a faithful Catholic for most of his life? More is written on the last 15 years than on the previous 35. Again - historical bias is just that, historical bias, and it's unsurprising that a nation that hates Catholicism would seek to marginalize it.

I'm inclined to say with much, or perhaps the majority of what you write, including 'of' 'and' and 'but', what utter bullsh!t.

Again, it's not bull****. England was a Catholic bulwark for 10 centuries prior to Henry VIII. Historical fact.

I own biographies of Henry V, Edward IV, Richard III,Edward III, the Wars Of The Roses, books on the Paston Letters, the Lisle Letters, the mediaeval English church, mediaeval English church architecture, mediaeval English literature, the Plantagenets, Magna Carta, et cetera, et cetera...

And again - the literature of the period pales in comparison what is written about in the period from the last 15 years of Henry VIII's life to, say, Elizabeth's death.

And I'm not a 'professional' historian or 'professional' history teacher.

And your point is what? That there are some books written? Sure. Ask the average bloke who Edward III is and who Henry VIII is. Who is he more likely to recognize?

I'm quite happy with you displaying your absolute ignorance of what I was taught and when I was taught it in grammar school. And for overlooking the fact, that for me, education doesn't end when you leave school- or in my case, university.

Why would I be ignorant as to what you are taught in History, when I've been calling you out for the entire thread?

Oh wow. Is that why you say ridiculous and manifestly historically inaccurate things such as 'Mary Stuart was innocent'

Mary Queen of Scots was innocent.

, 'the Dutch conquered the English'

They did, as William III, the King of the Dutch was sole king over England, as Canute himself had been long before.

, 'England was a Dutch fief'

And ruled solely by the King of the Dutch.

and 'Elizabeth I executed rulers' ?

She executed her own heir apparent and the Queen of Scots.

So far you're batting 0/4 here, Molly.

[molly bloom]

If we apply that logic to the 2k in the Inquisition, which ran for 350 years, that amounts to... 5.7 a year.

I see you're piss poor at Roman Catholic history too. No shock there.

There were three separate 'main' inquisitions- the mediaeval Inquisition which operated primarily against the Catharist or Albigensian heresy and the Vaudois or Waldenses, the Inquisition founded in Rome, and of course the entirely unexpected Spanish Inquisition.

The mediaeval one dates from the 13th Century, the Roman one from the 16th Century, the Spanish one from the 15th Century. The Spanish one spread its unpleasant influences from India to the Americas to the Spanish Netherlands, the Kingdom of Sicily and points in between.

It eventually ended in the first part of the 19th Century.

Now looking at the death tolls of Dutch/Flemish heretics, Cathars, Huguenots, Anabaptists, anti-Trinitarians, Amerindians, Hindus, Jews, marranos, conversos, moriscos, et cetera, et cetera, and using your impeccable grasp of statistics and guesswork, I've come to the conclusion that the Catholic Church annihilated more people than have ever lived on earth.

Not bad for a supposedly 'Christian' body of people.

[molly bloom]

Case in point - the denial that Islam was responsible for the Armenian genocide.

Or alternatively, nationalism. After all, the Tsarist Russian government encouraged Armenians in the Ottoman Empire to fight against the Ottoman Turks.

Still, I suppose switching to the Armenian Genocide gives you yet another area of history in which your splendidly dense approach to logic, facts and fact checking can be demonstrated in all its baroque finery.

[molly bloom]

A much written about and ballyhooed time. .

Overlooking the point that what you said was demonstrably incorrect- as shown by me and Cockney.

Much less is written about the previous 10 centuries when England was considered to be a Catholic bulwark.

I'm inclined to say with much, or perhaps the majority of what you write, including 'of' 'and' and 'but', what utter bullsh!t.

I own biographies of Henry V, Edward IV, Richard III,Edward III, the Wars Of The Roses, books on the Paston Letters, the Lisle Letters, the mediaeval English church, mediaeval English church architecture, mediaeval English literature, the Plantagenets, Magna Carta, et cetera, et cetera...

And I'm not a 'professional' historian or 'professional' history teacher.

But then what would you know about this time? It wasn't covered in grammar school.

I'm quite happy with you displaying your absolute ignorance of what I was taught and when I was taught it in grammar school. And for overlooking the fact, that for me, education doesn't end when you leave school- or in my case, university.

And yet, I have a history degree from an accredited university and you do not.

Oh wow. Is that why you say ridiculous and manifestly historically inaccurate things such as 'Mary Stuart was innocent', 'the Dutch conquered the English', 'England was a Dutch fief' and 'Elizabeth I executed rulers' ?

(Falls about laughing....)

[Ben Kenobi]

You want a rebuttal, Dinner? I watched your videos. Now - since you are 'intellectually honest' - watch mine.