Pope sends direct message to Ben

[Ben Kenobi]

What does Canada and Islam have to do with you hating black people?

"What are three things that I desperately wish were actually true?"

[kentonio]

Everyone needs people to hate. We have Ben. Ben has Canadians, Blacks, Muslims, gays, and Jews.

You forgot women, atheists, Christians who arent Catholics and other deaf people.

[Kidlicious]

That's the short list.

[DaShi]

Everyone needs people to hate. We have Ben. Ben has Canadians, Blacks, Muslims, gays, and Jews.

[kentonio]

I consider the ideology to be a poisonous one that trains people to do terrorist attacks. I'm surprised that someone who calls himself libertarian isn't condemning an attack designed to stop a woman for receiving citizenship from Harper. Why do you think she's applying for citizenship? Because she's got an enormous target on her back. Harper gets it. I'm surprised you don't.

What does Canada and Islam have to do with you hating black people?

[Kidlicious]

Islam doesn't support education for men either BK, only Islamic education.

[Ben Kenobi]

And if you're judging a race to be "suspect" based on what 1-5 people did, thats exactly what prejudice means - you've prejudged millions of people. When white people screw you over, do you consider white people suspect too?

I consider the ideology to be a poisonous one that trains people to do terrorist attacks. I'm surprised that someone who calls himself libertarian isn't condemning an attack designed to stop a woman for receiving citizenship from Harper. Why do you think she's applying for citizenship? Because she's got an enormous target on her back. Harper gets it. I'm surprised you don't.

Women who attempt to teach women how to get an education can end up dead because Islam doesn't support the education of women.

[Ben Kenobi]

Actually God kicked them out of the Garden for having children,

This is false. They were expelled for their disobedience in eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge despite being deliberately told not to do so. You've said this before. This is wrong.

Do not that they were commanded to, "fill the earth and subdue it".

He's being hypocritical too

You married Berz?

[Kidlicious]

It seems that alot of people are not good at reading the Bible.

[Berzerker]

I had the same answer as you and faced this exact same question. Jesus isn't saying that this is a side teaching, he's arguing that our very history as people, as creation of God, that this is an intrinsic part of our nature. That is his argument in Matthew 19, when he says, "he made them male and female". When he says "cleave", he is speaking a very precise word that means a man and a woman joining together in union to form one person. He says, "Where two become one flesh". it's very clear to me that he's talking about the sexual union of a man and a woman and that this joins the two together spiritually and physically.

It is a very important passage of the bible.

That isn't what Genesis says:

And Jehovah God causeth a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he sleepeth, and He taketh one of his ribs, and closeth up flesh in its stead. 22 And Jehovah God buildeth up the rib which He hath taken out of the man into a woman, and bringeth her in unto the man; 23 and the man saith, `This [is] the [proper] step! bone of my bone, and flesh of my flesh!' for this it is called Woman, for from a man hath this been taken; 24 therefore doth a man leave his father and his mother, and hath cleaved unto his wife, and they have become one flesh. 25 And they are both of them naked, the man and his wife, and they are not ashamed of themselves.

God took Adam's rib to form the woman, thats why a man leaves his parents to be one with his wife. Actually God kicked them out of the Garden for having children, thats what the fig leaves symbolize. They were naked and unashamed, then Eve became pregnant and God couldn't help but notice.

That raises an interesting question: if Adam and Eve were having sex before and God didn't mind, what changed? Children. God saw his Garden was about to be over run by Adam and Eve's descendents. Therefore it was the Serpent who was responsible for Adam and Eve having children.

As opposed to a bachelor that has sex saying the same?

He's being hypocritical too

And if you're judging a race to be "suspect" based on what 1-5 people did, thats exactly what prejudice means - you've prejudged millions of people. When white people screw you over, do you consider white people suspect too?

[Kidlicious]

He is wrong. Lutheranism is basically trolling.

[Ben Kenobi]

It's only a matter of time, but all Christian traditions will come around to this point. The anti-homosexual Christian rhetoric will be seen as the pro-slavery Christian rhetoric is today. His truth is marching on.

How long has sola scriptura been a thing? If you're chilling out with Calvin at Geneva, would you be saying the same thing?

My question to you, what if you're wrong about this?

Heresy is heresy. Arianism taught that Jesus was just a man, and that didn't prevail despite being the faith of the emperor. Why would you argue for heresy prevailing here?

The only way you'll prevail is if you manage to destroy every copy of every bible that teaches Matthew 19.

[Ben Kenobi]

I don't.

Which is completely my point, ricketyclik.

Your brand of Christianity.

No, not my brand of Christianity. Every brand of Christianity.

I didn't say I don't believe in God, I just don't believe all the mumbo-jumbo in the Bible

If you reject the bible on say, what Christ says on marriage in Matthew 19, what justification do you have to accept the letters of Paul? Or the sermon on the mount? It stretches credibility to argue they got this one part wrong and everything else right - and that includes the resurrection.

like Christ died for our sins and rose from the dead.

If you reject the resurrection, you aren't a Christian.

But I'm sure there are many who do adhere to the words of Christ who don't necessarily believe everything in the Bible.

Sure, but that's like saying, some people choose to be ****ty Christians.

I don't care if the Bible is textually consistent with the Dead Sea Scrolls. They were written by people.

If its textually consistent then that's a refutation of your point.

Crazy, gullible people with their own agendas, like the rest of us. Does that answer your question as to which parts of the Bible ought to be retained?

It also answers my question that you are not a Christian.

[Kidlicious]

"Let me show ya somethin." - Fire Marshall Bill

[N35t0r]

Is your philosophy "those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."

No. He's probably a very good teacher. What we doubt is your aptitude for learning.