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  • Little reminder of why Iran doesn't like America very much.

    Originally posted by Robert Scheer
    Sixty years ago this week, on Aug. 19, 1953, the United States, in collaboration with Britain, successfully staged a coup in Iran to overthrow democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh that a newly declassified CIA document reveals was designed to preserve the control of Western companies over Iran’s rich oil fields.

    The U.S. government at the time of the coup easily had manipulated Western media into denigrating Mossadegh as intemperate, unstable and an otherwise unreliable ally in the Cold War, but the real motivation for hijacking Iran’s history was Mossadegh’s move to nationalize Western-controlled oil assets in Iran. According to the document, part of an internal CIA report:

    “The target of this policy of desperation, Mohammad Mosadeq, [sic] was neither a madman nor an emotional bundle of senility as he was so often pictured in the foreign press; however, he had become so committed to the ideals of nationalism that he did things that could not have conceivably helped his people even in the best and most altruistic of worlds. In refusing to bargain—except on his own uncompromising terms—with the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, he was in fact defying the professional politicians of the British government. These leaders believed, with good reason, that cheap oil for Britain and high profits for the company were vital to their national interests.”

    There you have it, the smoking gun declaration of the true intent to preserve high profits and cheap oil that cuts through all of the official propaganda justifying not only this sorry attempt to prevent Iranian nationalists from gaining control over their prized resources but subsequent blood-for-oil adventures in Iraq and Kuwait. The assumption is that “the best and most altruistic of worlds” is one that accommodates the demands of rapacious capitalism as represented by Western oil companies.

    Tragically, the coup that overthrew Mossadegh also crushed Iran’s brief experiment in democracy and ushered in six decades of brutal dictatorship followed by religious oppression and regional instability. If Iran is a problem, as the United States persistently and loudly insists, it is a problem of our making. Mossadegh, who earned a doctorate in law from Neuchatel University in Switzerland, was not an enemy of the American people; he was an Iranian nationalist who as the CIA’s own internal report concedes was preoccupied with the well-being of his people as opposed to the profitability of Western oil interests.

    The CIA report derides the Western media’s acceptance at the time of the coup of the demonization of all actors on the world stage that fail to follow the approved script provided by the U.S. government. As the report notes, the “complete secrecy about the operation,” breached only by leaked information, made it “relatively easy for journalists to reconstruct the coup in varied but generally inaccurate accounts.”

    Without conceding responsibility for misleading the media, the report says “The point that the majority of these accounts miss is a key one: the military coup that overthrew Mosadeq [sic] and his National Front cabinet was carried out under CIA direction as an act of U.S. foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government. It was not an aggressively simplistic solution, clandestinely arrived at, but was instead an official admission that normal, rational methods of international communication and commerce had failed. TPAJAX (the operation’s codename) was entered into as a last resort.”

    Parts of the formerly top secret report, an internal CIA study from the 1970s titled “The Battle for Iran,” which detailed the CIA-directed plot, have been revealed previously. But the section disclosed Monday in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit brought by the National Security Archive is, as the archive’s research director Malcolm Byrne writes in Foreign Policy magazine, the first time the CIA admits to “using propaganda to undermine Mossadegh politically, inducing the shah to cooperate, bribing members of parliament, organizing the security forces, and ginning up public demonstrations.”

    All of these actions were described in great detail by veteran CIA operative Kermit Roosevelt in a lengthy interview with me for the Los Angeles Times in 1979. Roosevelt is confirmed in the newly released documents as having the leading role in planning and executing the coup. In the interview, Roosevelt revealed his part for the first time, but instead of celebrating the success of the venture, he cautioned that it had set a terrible example.

    As I summarized the conversation in the story that appeared on March 29, 1979: “Roosevelt said that the success of the operation in Iran—called Project AJAX by the CIA—so inspired then-Secretary of State John Foster Dulles that Dulles wanted to duplicate it in the Congo, Guatemala, Indonesia and Egypt, where he wanted to overthrow President Gamal Abdel Nasser. Roosevelt said that he resisted these efforts and finally resigned from the CIA because of them.”

    Roosevelt, as he recounted in his memoir published five months after our interview, came away from the coup he engineered with serious concerns about the efficacy of such ventures. But unfortunately it became the model in Vietnam, Guatemala, Cuba, Afghanistan, Nicaragua and other countries, where the full official record is apparently judged still too embarrassing for our government to declassify.
    http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/...t-in-democracy

    I recall we've talked about the Iranian coup before, and the general sense from quite a few of our American friends was that it was some kind of crazy conspiracy theory. I think it's time we accepted that a lot of our troubles in the Middle East and beyond come from our own bad behavior. It should definitely be remembered next time anyone suggests that the Arabs or Iranians 'Aren't ready for democracy'.

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    In refusing to bargain—except on his own uncompromising terms—with the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, he was in fact defying the professional politicians of the British government. These leaders believed, with good reason, that cheap oil for Britain and high profits for the company were vital to their national interests.”
    Pot, meet Heroin.
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    • #3
      America overthrows governments all the time. Most of them don't continue to hate us for generations afterwards. I think this is an overly simplistic explanation, and it ignores the current regime's use of propaganda to distract the people from decades of corruption, mismanagement, and poor policy.
      John Brown did nothing wrong.

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      • #4
        Also, I don't know where kentonio was getting this idea that Ajax was brushed off by Americans as a conspiracy theory. It's been common knowledge for as long as I can remember that the Shah had been America's puppet in Iran.
        John Brown did nothing wrong.

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        • #5
          I don't think that there is any question that today's Iranian government is corrupt and repressive.

          The question is...Did the 1953 coup make the 1979 revolution inevitable? If so, we only have our own policy mistakes to blame for the current government.

          Nonetheless, the current government is a bad one and we have to deal with it in today's environment. It is likely that there will be conflict of some sort. We can only hope that we will do a better job for the Iranian people when it does come than we have done in the past.
          "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Felch View Post
            Also, I don't know where kentonio was getting this idea that Ajax was brushed off by Americans as a conspiracy theory. It's been common knowledge for as long as I can remember that the Shah had been America's puppet in Iran.
            Indeed...it has been clearly acknowledged here for quite some time that the CIA led the coup.
            "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Felch View Post
              America overthrows governments all the time. Most of them don't continue to hate us for generations afterwards.
              Where have you been hanging out these past years?
              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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              • #8
                Does there have to be one reason Iran doesn't like America or can they also hate us for other reasons, such as our support for Israel?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by The Mad Monk View Post
                  Pot, meet Heroin.
                  Please quote some British posters here who have previous claimed that the Iranians/Arabs just hate us because they 'hate freedom'.

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                  • #10
                    Many of them do actually quite literally hate freedom. All of the ones calling for Sharia law, for instance. That is to say, Islamists. They call it "man made laws". So when someone says Al Qaeda hates us for our freedom, they're not wrong, regardless of how tired you may find the phrase.
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                    • #11
                      we're not at war with AQ because "they hate our freedom"

                      hell, most of our politicians hate our freedom and they're doing something about it

                      kinda why we have so many people in cages

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by PLATO View Post
                        I don't think that there is any question that today's Iranian government is corrupt and repressive.

                        The question is...Did the 1953 coup make the 1979 revolution inevitable? If so, we only have our own policy mistakes to blame for the current government.

                        Nonetheless, the current government is a bad one and we have to deal with it in today's environment. It is likely that there will be conflict of some sort. We can only hope that we will do a better job for the Iranian people when it does come than we have done in the past.
                        One has to remember that large sections of the Iranian population originally actually did like the Shah. It was only after he created a repressive police state and began stealing everything which wasn't nailed down that the people turned against him. Also, yes, as others have said everyone has always known about the US/UK coupe designed to prevent the nationalization of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company as well as to drive out the Soviet forces which were still hanging out in northern Iran even seven years after WW2 ended (during the war the USSR and the UK divided Iran in half with the Soviets taking the north and the British taking the south).
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
                          we're not at war with AQ because "they hate our freedom"

                          hell, most of our politicians hate our freedom and they're doing something about it

                          kinda why we have so many people in cages
                          This.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                            Where have you been hanging out these past years?
                            In the real world, where even Vietnam is looking to us for protection from the Chinese. How many Latin American countries did we interfere with over the past century, and how many of them have sponsored anti-American terrorism as a result?
                            John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                            • #15
                              If you think Latin American folks & countries don't hate the US, you are living in a dreamland. Hate doesn't mean they are going to engage in mass bombings, but being happy when a Chavez or Lula thumbs his nose at the US - most definitely.
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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