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    First I thought it was onion stuff or like, but it's for real.

    In most industries, competitors getting together and conspiring to control supply of a product is illegal. But in the raisin world, the law actually says competitors have to work together. It's going against your competitors that can get you in trouble.


    Meet Marvin Horne, raisin farmer. Horne has been farming raisins on a vineyard in Kerman, Calif., for decades. But a couple of years ago, he did something that made a lot of the other raisin farmers out here in California really angry. So angry that they hired a private investigator to spy on Horne and his wife, Laura. Agents from a detective agency spent hours sitting outside the Hornes' farm recording video of trucks entering and leaving the property.

    What did the Hornes do to become the subject of a surveillance campaign? They sold raisins. More specifically, they sold all the raisins they produced.

    In most other industries, selling all the goods you can make is just good business. But in the raisin world, things are different. In the raisin world, this can be illegal.

    The decision about how many raisins should be sold to the public isn't supposed to be made by individual farmers working on individual farms across California. It's supposed to be made by a group — the . The committee gets together regularly to decide how to market the raisins of California, and they set grades and standards for California raisins. Another, more unusual, part of their work is determining how many raisins to sell to the public.

    Each year the committee uses an equation to decide just how many raisins to release out into the world. If they don't think the demand is high enough for all the raisins made that year, they tell raisin farmers to turn over or divert some of their raisins into something called the raisin "reserve."

    Generally, the committee only holds back raisins when there's a big crop. If lots of raisins are coming online, the committee worries that the price could collapse and that farmers could go out of business.

    Once the Raisin Administrative Committee decides on the number of raisins to release to the public, it becomes the law of the land. The raisin committee gives a recommended number to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and the department typically approves it.

    If the committee recommends a lower number and any farmer tries to sell 100 percent of their raisins, it's against the rules and against the law.

    Marvin and Laura Horne used to follow these rules and abide by the committee decision. But something happened years ago that made them decide to go outside the system: In 2002, the Raisin Administrative Committee voted for a particularly big diversion. Instead of letting the farmers sell all their raisins, they decided to divert a ton of them into the raisin "reserve" — 47 percent.

    "A lot of we all jumped up and yelled, and said, 'No, it's crazy. What's the matter with you guys?' " says Marvin Horne. "It was no avail, and that's when I came home, and I talked with my wife, and we said, 'No, we're not going to deliver.' "

    The Hornes knew if they didn't deliver to the raisin reserve, they might be breaking the law. So they started researching. They got a hold of the actual legislation where this is laid out, , and the Hornes say they found a loophole in the law. Loophole in hand, they set up their own packing operation a couple of years ago and started selling all their raisins.

    The Raisin Administrative Committee does not agree with the Hornes' legal interpretation. They say the Hornes are breaking the law and should be punished.

    What happened next is proof of how upside down the world of raisins is. For not agreeing to participate in behavior that in many other industries would be considered collusion, the federal government sued the Hornes for hundreds of thousands of dollars in uncollected raisins and fines. The case went all the way up to the Supreme Court before being kicked down to a lower appeals court.

    The Hornes are awaiting a decision.
    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

    Steven Weinberg

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    Mucked!
    No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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    • #3
      I wonder if Oerdin will take it more seriously now that its been NPR'd.
      No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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      • #4
        My thread title is better
        With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

        Steven Weinberg

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        • #5
          Originally posted by The Mad Monk View Post
          I wonder if Oerdin will take it more seriously now that its been NPR'd.
          Meh, the facts remain the same. He took the governments subsidies and agreed to the strings which were attached to that money but now he doesn't want to follow the rules he agreed to. I have no sympathy for him at all.
          Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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          • #6
            An even bigger problem is the EU's subsidies are even larger (both direct and indirect) thus resulting in over production and a collapse in market prices.

            Raisin growers in California's Fresno County are not at all happy with what they consider an unfair advantage enjoyed by their Greek competito
            Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
              My thread title is better
              Of course it is.
              No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                An even bigger problem is the EU's subsidies are even larger (both direct and indirect) thus resulting in over production and a collapse in market prices.

                http://www.csmonitor.com/1982/0825/0...l/%28page%29/3
                http://farm.ewg.org/
                With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                Steven Weinberg

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                • #9
                  Even dead US farmers are susidiced :

                  Millions of dollars have gone to farmers years after their death as part of various farm safety net programs under the US Department of Agriculture, according to a recent government audit.
                  With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                  Steven Weinberg

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
                    Even dead US farmers are susidiced :

                    http://rt.com/usa/us-subsidies-dead-farmers-820/
                    RT is basically the Russian FOXNEWS
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sava View Post
                      RT is basically the Russian FOXNEWS
                      May be so, but by pure accident they sometimes are right - why noy here ?
                      With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                      Steven Weinberg

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                      • #12
                        because they are slippery cossack sluts
                        To us, it is the BEAST.

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                        • #13
                          That sounds kind of kinky.
                          With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                          Steven Weinberg

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
                            That sounds kind of kinky.
                            It actually does, doesn't it?
                            "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                              Meh, the facts remain the same. He took the governments subsidies and agreed to the strings which were attached to that money but now he doesn't want to follow the rules he agreed to. I have no sympathy for him at all.
                              We've been over this. The grape farmers aren't getting any money, and they aren't agreeing to anything.
                              John Brown did nothing wrong.

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