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  • But wait, it gets worse! Or possibly better! (NSA news)



    So, according to the latest Snowden leak, the NSA is not only doing a lot of stuff we didn't know about, it's also breaking its own rules, to the tune of several thousand "irregularities" per year. Now, most of it seems to be relatively minor; fishing with too wide a net is the worst of the specifics. Much of the rest is just random incompetence, like entering the wrong area code and failing to report the resulting accidental-surveillance of thousands of people. Also, not letting their nominal-supervision court know about a new collection method until after it had been in place for several months. They've apparently been scrubbing their reports to Congress, too, but that's pretty much a given. And this is all from a year-old audit of only the D.C. area facilities.

    On the bright side, I don't see anything about spying on people with no authorization whatsoever, unless that's what's meant by the phrase "did not follow standard operating procedures." No, wait, there's this: "The most serious incidents included a violation of a court order and unauthorized use of data about more than 3,000 Americans and green-card holders." But, in general, it sounds like our spooks are merely bumbling, and not actually sinister, at this time. Since most of their vigilance is utterly superfluous, I'm cautiously marking this down as "good news." If we lived in a world where terrorists posed an actual, significant threat, that would of course be a totally different scenario.
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    As usual in our government, it's not malicious (well maybe), it's just incompetent.

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    • #3
      It is the potential for abuse that could be hidden from oversight that makes the NSA programs suspect.

      "Oh...yeah, we accidently spied on 3000 Americans" Really? Okay, so you are incompetent, but what if someone in government does it on purpose and then "scrubs" that from reports? Who will ever know? The NSA needs onsight oversight from a pro civil liberty perspective...not some nebulous court that only hears what they want to tell them.
      "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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      • #4
        where were you guys 2006-2008?

        oh yeah, spying was good then
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sava View Post
          where were you guys 2006-2008?

          oh yeah, spying was good then
          Nope...not me. I railed on the Patriot act from the beginning. Spying on the American people is never good...regardless of who is President.
          "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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          • #6
            Originally posted by PLATO View Post
            Nope...not me. I railed on the Patriot act from the beginning. Spying on the American people is never good...regardless of who is President.
            i know
            To us, it is the BEAST.

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