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  • Heathcare exchanges working even better than advertised: NY insurance premiums see 50% cost decrease.

    It's amazing what transparency and increased levels of market competition can achieve. That is exactly what the Health Care Exchanges are supposed to deliver as they standardize what plans must offer (usually with three choices of Gold, Silver, and Bronze levels of coverage) and then make company's compete based upon costs with consumers being able to easily compare the costs of all the different insurance companies based upon standardized benefits packages. More insurance companies than expected have decided to jump into the competition, a total of 15 with 8 of them never having offered coverage before in the NY market.

    We saw the same massive price decreases which the greater transparency and levels of competition brought in California and now we're seeing it in New York state as well.

    ObamaCare lowers NY premiums by half
    ObamaCare will cut the cost of healthcare premiums in half for many New Yorkers who buy insurance on their own, according to The New York Times.
    The Times reported that the average premium in the state's insurance exchange will be be at least 50 percent lower than currently available policies.
    New York is the latest of several states to report lower-than-expected rates for policies sold through their exchanges.
    The exchanges are open to people who do not get insurance through their employer, but rather purchase it on their own. Most people who use the exchanges will receive a tax subsidy to help cover the cost of their premiums.
    Before those subsidies are applied, the average plan for an individual living in New York City will cost $308 per month — down from $1,000 per month now, the Times reported.
    The state expects about 65,000 people to purchase coverage through its exchange in the first few years.
    Officials told the Times they have approved 17 insurers to sell policies in the state exchange, eight of which are entering the state's market for the first time.


    Same story with different words and a bit more information at the New York Time's website: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/he...ml?ref=us&_r=0

    Even the Washington Post got into the act and destroyed the lies and falsehoods which Republicans had been spreading in an attempt to avoid admitting what a smashing success these exchanges have been (and have been every where they have ever been tried). Of course, when your brides, er... "campaign donations" from big insurance companies depend upon protecting them from competition and transparency so that they can continue to fleece customers with impunity then it is no wonder they are unmoved by little things like facts or reality. It also is no wonder why Republican controlled states have been either attempting to prevent exchanges from being set up or at least to exclude as many people as possible from the exchanges so that as few people as possible get to benefit from lower costs and better care.

    Anyway, here's the Washington Post article about why the Republican talking points are all bull****: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...es-rate-shock/
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    BTW all costs are before counting the Federal subsidies for the poor which will significantly lower costs to some people (as low as completely free). There is absolutely no reason to artificially limit the number of people who can buy insurance through these exchanges and in fact they should be opened up to everyone who wishes to buy as this would result in even greater buying power and thus even lower per unit prices.
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    • #3
      The California exchange only got 13 companies joining in their state wide exchange but ~1/3rd are new to the state companies which are entering the health insurance market in the state for the first time. As predicted increased competition and great transparency resulted in big price decreases.

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      • #4
        You're an idiot and this is bull****. I don't think a single one of the actuaries at the firm I work at would be willing to defend Obamacare or the exchanges.

        Literally a third of Mississippi won't even be covered by exchanges because not a single insurance company could profitably cover them. It's very obvious that what will happen is that forcing companies to allow pre-existing conditions will cause the risk pool will get smaller and more risky, leading to a death spiral of every insurance plan that participates.
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        • #5
          Consumers and small businesses can now compare proposed health premiums easily, foreshadowing more expansive changes in October. Some insurers are changing course.


          Oregon is arguably the state which has gotten the most out of its health care exchange with big increases in competition and transparency forcing the state's two main old line insurance companies to reverse their announced rate hikes and instead to actually dramatically lower prices in the face of lots of new competitors entering the market offering lower cost plans with the exact same coverage they were offering. Some of the new competitors are offering coverage at just $169 per month where as another was offering $422 for the exact same plan. Competition and transparency really does help consumers get lower prices.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
            You're an idiot and this is bull****. I don't think a single one of the actuaries at the firm I work at would be willing to defend Obamacare or the exchanges.
            There is an idiot here but, as usual, it is you.

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            • #7
              You don't understand the first ****ing thing about actuarial science. These exchanges are not going to work. It's common knowledge in the actuarial community. Government actuaries don't even believe it will work.
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              • #8
                Link?

                Didn't think so. It's funny how the one in MA has been running fine for almost a decade now without a hitch despite your name calling and baseless accusations.
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                • #9
                  I don't need a link. I work with actuaries every single goddamn day. They don't have personal websites.
                  Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                  Didn't think so. It's funny how the one in MA has been running fine for almost a decade now without a hitch despite your name calling and baseless accusations.
                  The MA one has not been working fine at all. There's waiting periods to get a new doctor, and to boot, they already had incredibly high rates of insurance coverage. It observably raised prices on insurance premiums. Also, critically, their individual mandate is enough to actually work, which is why it hasn't failed as hard as Obamacare.
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                  • #10
                    I'm hearing lots of blather but there seems to be a shortage of facts to back up your jaw flapping.
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                    • #11
                      You're hopeless. It doesn't take a whole lot of reasoning to understand why all of these are doomed. Do you not get that the individual mandate is insufficient to force anyone to actually get insurance? When those rules take effect, these are going to crash and burn.
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                      • #12
                        Aren't they already in effect?
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                        • #13
                          Are lower premium health care plans necessarily better?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                            Are lower premium health care plans necessarily better?
                            Given that the level of coverage and benefits are standardized on the exchanges and that consumers can pick the one they want from the various competitors, I would say, yes. In any event it should be obvious to everyone that increased competition in the market place and increased transparency (I.E. companies can't fiddle around with what is or is not covered in order to make it harder for consumers to compare prices; all plans on the exchange are standardized) are very good things for consumers and really will result in lower prices for the same services.

                            Just check out what has already happened in Oregon, California, and now New York. Lots of companies are seeing this as an opportunity to expand into new markets while the old line players (who were used to little or no competition and being able to simply demand what ever price they wanted) are being forced to actually respond to the increased competition in the market. This is a very good thing.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by notyoueither View Post
                              Aren't they already in effect?
                              No, not all of them.
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