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    FRI JUN 14, 2013 AT 06:31 AM PDT
    In Wisconsin, Silence Will Not Be Tolerated!

    Concerned citizens lined the gallery of the State Capitol to watch the debate unfold for the Republicans' ultrasound probe law which will require unnecessary and invasive medical treatments on any women seeking an abortion. The bill had already passed through the State Senate, with the dramatic and demonstrably uncivil silencing of any minority party debate, as chronicled by Giles Goat Boy. The lack of collegiality demonstrated by Senate Majority Leader Mike Ellis is nothing short of breathtaking, even for those of us a bit short of breath from two years of constant struggle against this radical governance franchise that has overtaken the state. Witnesses in the gallery testify that he actually broke his gavel from his aggressive pummeling of procedural protocol. That was on Wednesday.

    One day later, yesterday, and only two weeks since the Republicans introduced it, the bill passed the House on a 56 to 39 vote. During what passed for debate, the citizens in the gallery sat silent, some with duct tape over their mouths. The gallery was lined with Capitol Police, whose job it is to oversee the increasingly detailed and labyrinthine sets of rules of conduct and laws restricting assembly that have been put in place during the last two years. It has been clear that signage is no longer allowed in the gallery, nor is photography, nor recording devices of any kinds. I don't know that we were cognizant that silence would not be allowed. That's right: in Wisconsin, our silence has been silenced!

    According to the twitter stream of Madison writer and activist Rebecca Kemble's eyewitness account:

    Women with tape over their mouths silently protesting #gynogovt in Assembly Gallery told to take it off. Some of them ejected. #WarOnWomen

    Clapping spontaneously erupted after Democratic Representative Sandy Pasch spoke of the importance of access to birth control for women:
    Rep. Pasch on AB 216: "The author of this bill is seriously out of touch with the reality of women."

    Dems protesting Kramer's ejection of the public from the gallery without a warning. One woman was handcuffed and marched out due to her unwillingness to leave the gallery when Rep. Kramer cleared the first two rows due to clapping.

    Women in the gallery who removed tape from their mouths on the order of Speaker Pro Tem Kramer now holding hands over mouths.

    I'll end with that chilling image. A radical bill of serious consequence was fast-tracked through legislature and now waits to be signed by Governor Walker. He's already said that he has no problem with ultrasounds, and will readily sign. The Senate allowed no debate, insisting on a rapid and violent roll-call vote. The House allowed the performance of debate and voted along party lines. The citizens watching from the galleries above were surrounded by police. There were no outbursts, no incivility, only one instance of clapping. The first two rows were immediately ejected, without warning, by the order of the Republican Speaker.
    Women sitting silently with duct tape on their mouths were given the ultimatum: take off your tape, or face arrest. They took off their tape, and sat silently with their hands over their mouths. No talking allowed. No clapping allowed. No noise allowed. No silence allowed.
    What ever happened to the First Amendment?
    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

  • #2
    Kicking noisy people out of your workplace isn't a violation of the First Amendment.

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    • #3
      Um, you can't do protests in the US Senate and House chambers either. You have a 1st Amendment right, but you don't have a right to necessarily disturb legislative actions.
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      • #4
        I was taught in elementary school you have to be quiet during legislative proceedings.
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        • #5
          Wisconsin's policy is identical to that of probably every legislative body at every level of government in the entire United States.
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          • #6
            And is yet another thing that MrFun rants about that doesn't have a thing to do with him and never will. His one line commentary remains intact.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
              Wisconsin's policy is identical to that of probably every legislative body at every level of government in the entire United States.
              Truth.


              Also truth that this is a terrible, stupid, horrible bill, and it deserves to die a swift legislative death.

              A very similar provision is currently on the docket here in Ohio.

              Every time I think I might want to look into voting GOP, they start pulling stupid ****ing **** like this.
              "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
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              • #8
                In opposing a particular policy, it generally helps to be less horrible than the policy... or else the protest kind of defeats the purpose.
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                  Kicking noisy people out of your workplace isn't a violation of the First Amendment.
                  How can a person be noisy, with duct tape over their mouth?
                  A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                    Um, you can't do protests in the US Senate and House chambers either. You have a 1st Amendment right, but you don't have a right to necessarily disturb legislative actions.
                    How is being silent, disturbing legislative actions?
                    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Colon™ View Post
                      I was taught in elementary school you have to be quiet during legislative proceedings.
                      And the people wearing duct tape were being quiet.
                      A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                      • #12
                        Our founding fathers would be horrified at the thought that women were not allowed to act like morons while a legislative body was in session. Also at the thought that women would be present while a legislative body was in session.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Elok View Post
                          Our founding fathers enjoyed raping slaves.
                          fixed
                          To us, it is the BEAST.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sava View Post
                            fixed
                            I recently read a blurb for a book that claimed the Hemings thing was actually based on shoddy scholarship, and that Jefferson's rowdy brother was to blame for the inconvenient light-skinned kids. Now, even if true, that doesn't really let him off the hook for his "breed the women to sell the kids" business strategy, but still.
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                            • #15
                              Anyway, this is exactly like something out of North Korea, except in NK there's no elected legislature, and if there were they wouldn't let commoners be privy to its proceedings. And if they did, the women in question would be dragged out, made to kneel in the street and confess to treason against the Loving Leader, and then shot multiple times in the head. Something like that. In conclusion: yes, Wisconsin is totally becoming more like a police state, in the sense that when I get a paper cut on my finger I am becoming more like an amputee.
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