Gun Homicide rate down 49% since '93; public unaware

[DaShi]

Those all expired in 2006

That doesn't mean they didn't have an effect, especially if the bulk of the decline occurred between 1993 and 2006.

[DinoDoc]

Gun ownership has not declined since 1993.

By ~7% if Gallup is to be believed:

[Hauldren Collider]

A whole 7%. That definitely explains the drop.

By the way, literally everyone attempting to find cause and effect in this thread with statistics is a massive idiot who doesn't understand the first thing about statistics.

Edit: On careful reading of the thread, it looks like the only person really guilty of this is Asher, which isn't surprising:

No, see -- in that thread you and KH were obsessed with theory while I've dealt with the problem in reality.

I've designed embedded software, I don't think either of you have. You guys were clearly out of your element when discussing the kinds RNGs that run on embedded systems.

Go write a Java program constructing ~1 million numbers between 1 and 99, in streams of 6, using java.util.Rand and run it inside J2ME. Have it round up the outliers in frequency of occurrences of individual numbers.

Compare the results with seeding just once on the program start, and seeding to the value of the instruction counter at the start of each stream of 6.

It'll blow your mind, apparently.

Asher sucking at stats/probability--a poly tradition

[Hauldren Collider]

I guess this is all the result of Clinton's gun control laws that started in '93 then?

Another thing about these laws, they only banned weapons that were used in less than 1% of all gun homicides, iirc.

[Sava]

The federal Bureau of Justice Statistics said firearms-related homicides had dropped to 11,101 in 2011 from 18,253 - a reduction of 39%.

Thread title is wrong.... says 49%

Gun deaths are down... but so is gun ownership. I guess a "good guy with a gun" isn't necessary to prevent gun violence.

HC, you are an ignorant little twerp. You act like you are an expert in everything when in reality you have next to zero adult life experience... and are wrong about most everything you say... even easily researched facts.

BTW, I love the "let's blame the media" narrative. Good to see conservative victimhood is alive and well.

[Hauldren Collider]

HC, you are an ignorant little twerp. You act like you are an expert in everything when in reality you have next to zero adult life experience... and are wrong about most everything you say... even easily researched facts.

My understanding of statistics and probability, while nowhere near the level of Kuci, Jaguar, or KH, or probably JM (I don't know how much JM knows about stats but since he is a physics PhD it's safe to guess "more than me"), is far better than Asher's, and most people's. Has nothing to do with adult life experience, which I've never pretended to have much in the way of.

[Sava]

while nowhere near the level of Kuci, Jaguar,

this is

for the record, I like you
it's the way you post that bugs me sometimes

but then again, i'm not one to talk when it comes to such things

[Hauldren Collider]

Kuci and Jaguar are actuaries, and Kuci is the person who has taught me most of what I know about stats and probability...

[DaShi]

It's probably a better approach to use your knowledge of statistics to make your point than to complain constantly that you are so much better at statistics than everyone else.

[Guynemer]

BTW, I love the "let's blame the media" narrative. Good to see conservative victimhood is alive and well.

OF COURSE it is the media's fault that people believe there is more violence now than 20 years ago. Who the **** else would it be?

You don't have to be a conservative to recognize that our news media is ****ing atrocious, Sava.

[DaShi]

I think that if there was a problem with the media, the media would have let us know about it by now.

[MikeH]

It's probably a better approach to use your knowledge of statistics to make your point than to complain constantly that you are so much better at statistics than everyone else.

Statistics exam : Where do you rank in the class?

[Krill]

Suicide is up by more than 30% in the same time period. Looks like the liberal swing in the country has caused the conservatives to stop killing liberals and start killing themselves.

That's a good thing

[Sava]

OF COURSE it is the media's fault that people believe there is more violence now than 20 years ago. Who the **** else would it be?

You don't have to be a conservative to recognize that our news media is ****ing atrocious, Sava.

I can't tell if your first statement is meant to be sarcastic. I'm hoping it is.

I don't disagree with the second.

"The media" isn't to blame for ignorance. Nobody should rely on "the media" to spoon feed them information.

[Guynemer]

How else is the average Joe going to find out about violent crime statistics, Sava?