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    Since 1790, the United States has suffered 16 banking crises. Canada has experienced zero — not even during the Great Depression.

    It turns out Canada can thank the French for their stable system, according to a paper by Columbia University’s Charles Calomiris, presented at the Atlanta Fed’s 2013 Financial Markets Conference.

    When it became a British colony, the majority of Canada’s population was of French origin — and the French inhabitants hated the British government.

    So to keep the colony firmly within the Empire, British policymakers steered toward a government structure that would limit the power of the French-majority while also giving Canada more and more self-government. The eventual result was a highly-centralized federal government which controlled economic policy making and had built-in buffers for banker interests against populist forces, the paper argues.

    That anti-populist political system — known in political science as liberal constitutionalism or liberal democracy — is a key ingredient in Canada’s stable banking track record, Mr. Calomiris contends in his paper, which is a summary of a much longer book he’s written with Stephen Haber due out in September. That’s because this kind of political system makes it difficult for political majorities to gain control of the banking system for their own purposes, the authors contend.

    Populist democracies like the U.S., on the other hand, tend to create dysfunctional banking systems because a majority of citizens gain control over banking regulation that steers credit to themselves and to their friends at the expense of the citizens that are excluded from the banking system, he said.

    The contrast between the U.S. and Canada was part of Mr. Calomiris broader argument that dysfunctional banking systems — which are by far the norm rather than the exception around the world — are the result of political factors.

    “Whether societies have dysfunctional banking systems is really not a technical issue at all. It’s a political issue,” Mr. Calomiris said at the conference, introducing his premise as “we do know how to avoid dysfunctional banking but that we make political choices – you might even say consciously” not to have functional banking systems for most of the modern era in most countries of the world.

    The history of the U.S. banking system is one in which the government forms partnerships with different interest groups at different points in history, and those coalitions jointly influenced the way the banking system was regulated, Mr. Calomiris argues.

    “In populist democracies, such as the United States, the regulation of banking is used as a political tool to favor some parties over others. It is not that the dominant political coalition in charge of banking policy desires instability, per se, but rather, that it is willing to tolerate instability as the price for obtaining the benefits that it extracts from controlling banking regulation,” he writes in his paper.

    Backing up their argument: Only six countries – including Canada — have been crisis-free and at the same time have banking systems that provide abundant credit. Three of these – Singapore, Malta and Hong Kong – are small, island-bound city-states where the homogeneity of the population makes it politically difficult to create losers. The other three – Canada, Australia and New Zealand – all share histories of liberal democracy.

    Mr. Calomiris argues that in the U.S., a coalition that emerged in the 1990s of government, big banks and activist consumer groups came helped fuel the housing crisis. Regulatory changes opened the door to a wave of mergers and acquisitions that created today’s megabanks. But banks still had to get approval – usually from the Federal Reserve – to complete those mergers and outside groups were able to weigh in on the wisdom of the deal as part of the Fed’s decision-making process.

    Community groups, with the Clinton administration’s encouragement, used the Fed’s approval process to extract binding concessions from banks to loosen underwriting standards for poor, urban communities – concessions to which the Fed agreed, Mr. Calomiris argues. The banks had to apply the looser standards to everyone. That helped fuel an explosion in poorly underwritten mortgages that contributed to the depth and severity of the housing crisis, he contends.

    All in all, Mr. Calomiris’ theory is a bleak one for the ability of financial reform efforts to make much of a difference.

    “Smart economists with their regulatory ideas are sort of dead on arrival,” he said. “Political coalitions will decide — not whether you’ve got the right VAR model — [but] whether a banking system is going to be set up with rules that will lead it to be stable and have abundant credit or not.”
    Interesting.
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    • #3
      So Canada does it by being a "liberal democracy" instead of a democracy?

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      • #4
        The French may have played a role but the more conservative English prudential system helped, Australia like Canada didn't have a banking crisis in the GFC, now everyone in the Anglo world is putting the checks and balances back in, and limiting CFC's and the like, setting deposit requirements

        The current French model is government intervention

        The US had a laissez faire model, now they are aping the French again with their "too big to fail" nonsense
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        • #5
          It helps that Canada looks after Canada solely.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Alexander's Horse View Post
            The French may have played a role but the more conservative English prudential system helped, Australia like Canada didn't have a banking crisis in the GFC, now everyone in the Anglo world is putting the checks and balances back in, and limiting CFC's and the like, setting deposit requirements

            The current French model is government intervention

            The US had a laissez faire model, now they are aping the French again with their "too big to fail" nonsense
            We didn't have a laissez faire model, we had a model where we gave out loans to people who couldn't afford them because we wanted to boost home ownership for some inscrutable reason.
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            • #7
              pay no attention, I just made that post up, no sleep last night
              Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

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              • #8
                It's bull**** and it is based on the popular right wing lie that the Community Reinvestment Act was some how responsible for the US banking crisis. The community reinvestment act required banks to make loans in black communities which historically were black listed by banks and who wouldn't loan to blacks no matter how good their credit was. In reality only 0.01% of bank loans were ever made under CRA areas and CRA loans have the highest repayment rate of any group of loans in the country yet Republicans continue to claim the crisis was all the fault of lazy black people and the CRA. The reality is the reason we had a banking crisis was the repeal of glass-steagall, deregulation which removed the 10:1 loan to equity ratio which banks had to maintain (and instead it was pushed up to 40:1 or even 75:1 in the worst cases) which did mean banks could make more loans but it also meant they had very little capital on hand if they ever experienced bad loans. The other key reason for the crisis was again deregulation but this time allowing banks to move loans off of their books by bundling them into packages and selling them to greater fools instead of the old requirement that the bank which originates the loan had to keep the loan on its books.

                This meant banks stopped caring if people would repay the loan and just pumped out as many loans as possible, even loans they knew would never be repaid, because by the time they went bad the bank would no longer hold the note and so it became someone else's problem. By making the bank actually hold on to the note on their books the banks took much greater care making sure the people they loaned money to could actually pay it back because they were on the hook for the lose if they couldn't repay. You want to fix the US banking system? Change those three things, break up the too big to fail banks (essentially restoring the sound banking regulations put in place by the New Deal), and separate the investment banking operations from the traditional household banking options. There, done, banking system restored to a sound footing.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Alexander's Horse View Post
                  pay no attention, I just made that post up, no sleep last night
                  I mostly agreed with your post, we are doing the whole too big to fail, taking to the point of bailing out unions. But it's proven very unpopular and I don't think it will happen in future administrations.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dinner View Post
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                    Oerdin this is very simple. The reason the banks weren't giving people loans in the first place was because they didn't believe they could pay them back. The government gave out incentives and backed loans through Fannie and Freddie to encourage banks to lend anyway. Surprise, surprise, the banks were right and Congress was wrong, and Fannie and Freddie nearly go under. It wasn't just random incentives like CRA, it was across the board. The government was trying to push home ownership. That not only got people to buy homes that should have rented, but got people to buy homes that were too expensive, more than they could afford.
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                    • #11
                      It will happen again just as soon as there is another crisis and the deregulation insures there will indeed be another crisis.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                        Oerdin this is very simple. The reason the banks weren't giving people loans in the first place was because they didn't believe they could pay them back.
                        You are both ignorant and wrong. Look up red lining.
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                        • #13
                          Redlining is the practice of denying, or charging more for, services such as banking, insurance,[2] access to health care,[3] or even supermarkets,[4] or denying access to jobs to residents in particular, often racially determined,[5] areas. The term "redlining" was coined in the late 1960s by John McKnight, a sociologist and community activist.[6] It refers to the practice of marking a red line on a map to delineate the area where banks would not invest; later the term was applied to discrimination against a particular group of people (usually by race or sex) irrespective of geography. During the heyday of redlining, the areas most frequently discriminated against were black inner city neighborhoods. For example, in Atlanta in the 1980s, a Pulitzer Prize-winning series of articles by investigative-reporter Bill Dedman showed that banks would often lend to lower-income whites but not to middle- or upper-income blacks.[7] The use of blacklists is a related mechanism also used by redliners to keep track of groups, areas, and people that the discriminating party feels should be denied business or aid or other transactions. In the academic literature, redlining falls under the broader category of credit rationing.


                          This is so well known and so well documented that it is astonishing you could be so ignorant as to not know it.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                            Oerdin this is very simple. The reason the banks weren't giving people loans in the first place was because they didn't believe they could pay them back. The government gave out incentives and backed loans through Fannie and Freddie to encourage banks to lend anyway. Surprise, surprise, the banks were right and Congress was wrong, and Fannie and Freddie nearly go under. It wasn't just random incentives like CRA, it was across the board. The government was trying to push home ownership. That not only got people to buy homes that should have rented, but got people to buy homes that were too expensive, more than they could afford.
                            No, there is a much simpler explanation. Everyone was engaged in a completely reasonable pattern of behavior and then the fed was like "lolnope we're gonna let NGDP fall by several percent oh you guys have leveraged equity investments haha sucks".

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                            • #15
                              I was definitely engaged in a completely reasonable pattern of behavior at all times ...

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