NR-tarded

[Dr Strangelove]

Led by former Rep. Asa Hutchinson, R-Ark., who announced the plan in a press conference Tuesday morning, the so-called "NRA National School Shield Initiative" outlines eight recommendations it says would boost school security nationwide. Hutchinson stressed that the "initiative" is fully independent from the NRA -- which he said budgeted $1 million for the effort -- and that the pro-gun lobby was under no obligation to enforce any of its recommendations.

Dang it! They's missin' the point! This here's all about protecting our kids and our Comstitution and don't forget our schools are for educashun too. I say we kill three birds with one load of shot. Teach the kids to protect themselves, Require the little tykes to pack heat along with their lunch. Remember, an armed society is a polite society.

[BlackCat]

Quite right - arm the children. We all know that they don't kill each other, not even by accident

[Hauldren Collider]

No, they were on the other side of the campus investigating the murders he had committed earlier that day. Also the shooter locked the doors to the building where he committed the largest number of murders.
Have you even ever been to Virginia Tech? I went to school there. The dormitory where the first shootings happened wasn't that far from the class building where the rest of the shooting occurred, probably less than one half mile, but the layout of the streets mandates taking the long way around because there's a huge parade ground in the middle of the campus. The buildings are made with heavy stones and the doors are thick and heavy. The school was all ROTC during its major era of growth after WW2 so it the buildings were designed around a sort of fortress mentality. That means if someone jams the doors shut you're not going to put your shoulder to it and break it down.

I have been to Virginia Tech several times. Also, about 50 of my high school classmates go to school there. By the way, Blacksburg ****ing sucks.

[MRT144]

Isn't the argument wrt Virginia Tech not so much about armed guards but about the school's ironic gun free safe zone created the circumstance that none of the other students or faculty would be armed and that as a result they were unable to stop Cho?

It's a pretty bad argument.

[Hauldren Collider]

Well the no gun zone certainly didn't stop Cho. It's almost as if mass murders don't obey laws...

[Dr Strangelove]

Isn't the argument wrt Virginia Tech not so much about armed guards but about the school's ironic gun free safe zone created the circumstance that none of the other students or faculty would be armed and that as a result they were unable to stop Cho?

If you "allowed" people to bring guns to class with them what's the likelihood that someone would have a gun with them in the one school builidng out of the tens of thousands of school buildings in the country on the one day that an incident occurs out of the thousands of incident free days? If you could take your gun with you everywhere you went would you, even if you went your entire life without using it? At what point might you start to think that it's not worth the effort to carry around so you stop carrying it with you?

Then what happens the day after?

[DinoDoc]

It's a pretty bad argument.

How so?

[MRT144]

Well the no gun zone certainly didn't stop Cho. It's almost as if mass murders don't obey laws...

But the argument DD outlines takes in one step further in the direction of crazy which is

A. absent a gun free zone there would have been a person with a gun
B. said person would also be willing to take action
C. they would have taken action in a way that didnt exacerbate the problem

The assumptions are just piled up on one another in a mishmash of lunacy.

My contention has always been that mass murders will happen regardless of laws but most of the NRA's arguments are ridiculous and they aren't willing to openly state the truth about guns - they only really protect you from other people if you're ready for them.

[DinoDoc]

If you "allowed" people to bring guns to class with them what's the likelihood that someone would have a gun with them in the one school builidng out of the tens of thousands of school buildings in the country on the one day that an incident occurs out of the thousands of incident free days?

Greater than the likelihood they'd have them now?

[BlackCat]

Well the no gun zone certainly didn't stop Cho. It's almost as if mass murders don't obey laws...

Wait, are you saying that mass murderes won't play by the rules and accept to being shot by the guards ? That they even may start by shooting those guards before starting their real business ? That's not fair play

[DinoDoc]

Wait, are you saying that mass murderes won't play by the rules and accept to being shot by the guards ? That they even may start by shooting those guards before starting their real business ? That's not fair play

Most of the mass shooting incidents in the US seem to have occured in "safe" gun free zones.

[MRT144]

Greater than the likelihood they'd have them now?

Are gun owners really going to let a few laws get in the way of being a hero?

[MRT144]

Most of the mass shooting incidents in the US seem to have occured in "safe" gun free zones.

Mostly because they were the objects of ire by the shooter themselves, not because they presented an easy and ripe target that the shooter just couldnt pass up.

I mean this is how most mass shootings work - there is an intended target that the shooter has determined is the source of their anger/rage/aggression that must be shot up.

I'd love to crawl into the mind of someone that thinks that unrecognized guns packed by randoms is sufficient deterrent for suicidal gunmen, and that the randoms would be sufficient enough in limiting damage.

[BlackCat]

Most of the mass shooting incidents in the US seem to have occured in "safe" gun free zones.

Could that be because most potential mass shooting places are usually gun free zones by virtue ?

[DinoDoc]

Are gun owners really going to let a few laws get in the way of being a hero?

What part of "law abiding citizen" is in Spanish?