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  • North Dakota Personhood bill

    AKA- "Let's make ectopic pregnancy a near-100% guaranteed death sentence!"

    North Dakota became the first state on Friday to pass a fetal personhood amendment, which grants legal personhood rights to embryos from the moment of fertilization. The state House of Representatives voted 57 to 35 to pass the amendment, after the Senate passed the same measure last month.

    The measure will now appear on the November 2014 ballot, and voters will be able to accept or reject it. If it passes, it will amend North Dakota's constitution to state that “the inalienable right to life of every human being at any stage of development must be recognized and protected.” The amendment would ban abortion in the state, without exceptions for rape, incest or life of the mother, and it could affect the legality of some forms of birth control, stem cell research and in vitro fertilization.

    “The North Dakota legislature has taken historic strides to protect every human being in the state, paving the way for human rights nationwide,” Keith Mason, president of the anti-abortion advocacy group Personhood USA, said in a statement on Friday. “This amendment strikes the balance of accomplishing more for the unborn than any other amendment the nation has ever seen, while protecting pregnant women and their right to true medical care. We applaud the North Dakota House and Senate for their willingness to protect all of the people in their state.”

    Similar fetal personhood initiatives have been rejected by voters in several other states, including Mississippi, one of the most socially conservative states in the country.

    North Dakota state Rep. Kathy Hawken (R-Fargo) told HuffPost on Thursday that she and several of her Republican colleagues strongly oppose the bill and are planning to protest it at a women's health rally on Monday. "I have so many friends with grandchildren from in vitro fertilization, and to take that away from these people who desperately want children is not okay," she said. "I believe if men had babies we would not be having this discussion."


    This is just plain mental, isn't it? Surely even the pro-lifers are going "Hang on. That's going a bit too far", right?
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    Too much.
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    • #3
      I am not sure that making an ectopic pregnancy a person stops medical doctors from acting to save the mothers life.

      If they have minutes and there are two dying people, and if they take the blood of one (who will definitely die), they can save the other, they would (and should) do it.

      I think this concept holds during an ectopic pregnancy.

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      • #4
        I am not sure that making an ectopic pregnancy a person stops medical doctors from acting to save the mothers life.

        If they have minutes and there are two dying people, and if they take the blood of one (who will definitely die), they can save the other, they would (and should) do it.

        I think this concept holds during an ectopic pregnancy.

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        • #5
          It's there in black and white, Jon- "without exceptions for rape, incest or life of the mother".

          Some ectopic pregnancies do result in a healthy birth with no medical intervention. When I say "some", the fatality rate would probably be over 99%, but as the bill plainly states the life of the mother doesn't matter. The pregnancy cannot be ended.
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          • #6
            One wonders if they will provide healthcare and child support with the same vigor when a bunch of unwanted children are put on this world.
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            • #7
              I'm left wondering if this isn't the work of the pro-life movement at all. Let's face it, the best way to discredit and split the pro-life movement is to infiltrate it and attempt to pass laws of such bug-eyed extremist fanaticism that not even the mainstream pro-lifers can promote it. And this is the sort of bug-eyed extremist fanaticism it would take.
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              • #8
                Laz: They carved out an exception for life of the mother or for other severe medical emergencies in the other bill banning it after a fetal heartbeat was found. That one is the most credible bill if were to talk about abortion bans as what sounds as if it is the same Personhood amendment failed in my State to get the approval of the voters.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny View Post
                  I'm left wondering if this isn't the work of the pro-life movement at all. Let's face it, the best way to discredit and split the pro-life movement is to infiltrate it and attempt to pass laws of such bug-eyed extremist fanaticism that not even the mainstream pro-lifers can promote it. And this is the sort of bug-eyed extremist fanaticism it would take.
                  Even if this more extreme bill passes the voters, it's in contravention of established SCOTUS decisions, so it would be enjoined right out of the gate by a the federal courts. It's just posturing. It's also part of an established strategy to flood legislatures with this kind of crap to drain legal resources from pro-choice groups by forcing them to litigate every one of dozens of ridiculous bills.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny View Post
                    It's there in black and white, Jon- "without exceptions for rape, incest or life of the mother".

                    Some ectopic pregnancies do result in a healthy birth with no medical intervention. When I say "some", the fatality rate would probably be over 99%, but as the bill plainly states the life of the mother doesn't matter. The pregnancy cannot be ended.

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