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  • Sigh... it is time to DEPLOY the NATION GUARD nationwide!

    This stuff is only getting worse as the December 21st approaches, whether that Mayan Calander thing is hoax or not. We spend between a 1/4 and a 1/3 of our GDP on the military maybe its time we give back to community safety. Deploy the National Guard nationwide with limited orders as they are not trained like the civilian police force is. Obviously this stuff is continuing to happen, been 5 shootings (3 lethal) as of this post since the really horrible one, and countless bomb threats.

    The police are over their heads in this mess, it is time. Deploy the National Guard. I'd say the whole damn military but there is always that Posse Comitus Act (congressional override needed), however the national guard is not limited by this.

    People need to feel safe during the holidays, and with all of this crazyness we can't protect against the bigger threats against our national security via real terrorists, that plan to inflict 9/11 or more type damage. Homeland security and the civilian law enforcement is swamped, we are in real danger. Too much chatter on security radar, and it is going to get much worse. We need help and fast.

    Short of taking away everyones guns and repealing the 2nd amendment all we can do is increase response time to these crises and perhaps with some Military Style intimidation this shooters will forgo their plans or be limited in their impact.

    I have some other ideas how to help this issue in the long run but we need to stop talking and do something now before we really regret it!
    Last edited by Thorn; December 16, 2012, 20:23.
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  • #2
    Yes I'm sure our Guardsmen would love nothing more than to spend the holidays manning pointless traffic checkpoints rather than with their families or at their ordinary jobs.

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    • #3
      Obama needs to declare martial law and establish a curfew.

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      • #4
        They signed up to protect us, so PROTECT US!
        "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"​​

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        • #5
          The National Guard is a state force, not a federal force, which is why it's not restricted by posse comitatus. If Obama were giving the orders it would be. It's up to the governors.

          Go write your governor and ask him to waste state money moving guardsmen to active status when the state police are doing a perfectly fine job at things.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
            Go write your governor and ask him to waste state money moving guardsmen to active status when the state police are doing a perfectly fine job at things.
            I doubt 40 people who died in less then the last week over shootings would agree with that.

            Ah its not enough people dying, statistics aren't high enough to warrent the money maybe, but its distracting precious time from real severe threats that exist have existed and will continue to exist each day.
            "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"​​

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            • #7
              Yes, it's so distracting, we should distract ourselves further with it by committing 300,000 part-time soldiers to active duty to be cops.

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              • #8
                Well they could have a limited rule set as they aren't trained as civilian enforcers. Like they see someone stealing a tv they ignore it or report it but do nothing more, or if they see someone physically being attacked raped they MUST secure their weapon then they can intervene with non-lethal force, hold the suspect until police arrive.

                Plus we have them there if there are any national disasters lot less waiting time.
                "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"​​

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                • #9
                  I'd support more protection at schools atleast temporarily if only to help the children feel safer.
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                  • #10
                    I'd say the national guard could be deployed till a day or two after the new year, that would keep people feel safer and probably would make us safer for the short term. I'm sorry that their holidays might be ruined but isn't saving lives worth it?
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                    • #11
                      Kids are pretty scared if they know about this. No one should even speak of this to young children.
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                      • #12
                        Socialologists and Psychologists agrees no one under 7 should be told, as far as myself i was dealing with some social phobia cause of the holiday shopping experience before this, now i'm trying to get up the nerve to go see the Hobbit, and not dwell about some more armed then me wacko doing something horrible to me and others. And i'll prolly die first cause I'll attempt to jump the moth******er, I don't care if his has a friggen bazooka. I'm not enjoying life that much these days to let some rotten ass kill a bunch of people around me.
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                        • #13
                          I think it's no child under 12 should be told things like this. It will cause psychological problems.

                          http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...nnecticut.html

                          How To Talk to Your Kids About the School Shooting

                          Be honest, but not too honest.

                          By Emily Yoffe|Posted Friday, Dec. 14, 2012, at 5:21 PM ET


                          What do you say to your elementary-school-aged children about the mass slaughter of children at an elementary school? I put this question to Dr. Alan E. Kazdin, director of the Yale Parenting Center. He said there are two main principles to keep in mind: comfort and information. People should be ready to respond honestly to their children’s question, but at the level they are asked and with the minimum of detail necessary.


                          If your child has managed to remain oblivious to this horror and has not brought it up, then Kazdin advises that you should not either. You can help keep your child blessedly in the dark by limiting exposure to media coverage. He said after 9/11, child psychologists coined a new term, “secondary terrorism,” for the destabilizing experience many young children went through after being exposed to the attacks on an endless television loop.


                          But if your child has heard, wants to know what happened, or is worried something like this is going to happen at his or her school, Kazdin says to respond honestly but cryptically. Use simple, declarative, age-appropriate sentences, like “Someone came into a school and hurt some children. We don’t know why.” Then you can comfort your children by saying their school is safe, and that you’re confident their school is one of the safest places they can be. Let’s say your child follows up with, “But how do you know?” Kazdin says to reply, “Because nothing like this ever happened at your school. Or at Mommy or Daddy’s school.”


                          He says a touch or a hug can convey comfort more powerfully than words. But he also says you don’t want to reassure out of proportion to your usual behavior—your kids can pick up when you’re acting oddly. Sticking to family ritual is also important. Once the questions have been answered, parents should take the conversational lead and shift into something more normal: “Hey, it’s almost dinner time. I need you to help me set the table.” Keeping up the usual routine tells your kids all is still right in their world.


                          Kazdin said the most important thing you want to communicate is not information about this gut-churning event. It’s that when things trouble or confuse your kids, they can come to you for answers, and they will get them, but in a way that helps relieve their anxiety. Kazdin says to keep in mind that being fearful is a normal developmental phase—think of the times you’ve had to show your children that there are no monsters under the bed. So you want to be sensitive not to give the kind of unnecessary detail that feeds a child’s tendency toward fear. And forget the tough love and tough lessons. This is not the time to let your 8-year-old know the world is full of horrible people.


                          Maybe you will be so overwhelmed at this tragedy that your child will see you crying. Again, just be brief and honest. “I’m so sad for what happened to those other families.” But as one Arlington, Va. elementary-school principal emailed to parents today, parents should seek out other adults for help with their own sorrow and fear.


                          Let’s say your child hears that a man went through the school shooting children and is worried he’ll come to their school. You can tell your child the man is dead. Period. If your child asks how, you can reply without elaboration that he was shot. Again, Kazdin says the key is honest, concise, but vague information, keyed to your child’s specific questions and age.


                          My daughter is now 17, but just as she began kindergarten in Washington, D.C., the 9/11 attacks happened. Her school was K-8 and while the administration told the older kids, they said nothing to the young ones, for which we were very grateful. After I came to school early to get her, my husband and I stopped talking about the news or flipped the television off when she came into the room. She seemed happily oblivious. But of course the world intrudes. A few weeks later my husband and I fell silent when she walked in on yet another discussion of terror. She said, “I know what you two were talking about.” We asked her what. She made a plane out of one hand, and a building out of another and then drove the “plane” into the “building” and said, “Boom!” We told her she was right and asked how she knew. She’d heard about it from the other kids—everyone was talking about it. She’d even seen it on TV. We asked if she had any questions and she said she didn’t. She told us it was OK now if we talked about it in front of her. She knew we didn’t want to tell her, and she wanted us to know that she knew.
                          Last edited by Kidlicious; December 16, 2012, 22:57.
                          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Thorn View Post
                            (snip) or if they see someone physically being attacked raped they MUST secure their weapon then they can intervene with non-lethal force, hold the suspect until police arrive.
                            Yeah, I'd secure my weapon. After I drilled the mother****er in one ear and out the other.
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                            • #15
                              But the good news is assault weapons will be banned in the US and clips with more than 10 bullets will be illegal. Feinstein is introducing it. Nice to see sane Americans. And hopefully in Canada, the government will stop eroding our gun laws.
                              Last edited by Uncle Sparky; December 17, 2012, 03:13.
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