Argo **** yourself!

[MOBIUS]

Just got back from seeing Argo.

A nice little history lesson in why everyone hates the US, but this time with a happy ending...

9/10

[Felch]

Everybody hates the US?

[Imran Siddiqui]

in MOBIUSland.

Though Argo was a good movie

[Alexander's Horse]

mobius has been to my house

[-Jrabbit]

Excellent movie, well directed by Affleck (though his acting is pretty wooden).
Alan Arkin and John Goodman steal the show.

Highly recommended.

[DaShi]

Everybody hates the US?

Everybody!

[Dr Strangelove]

It's based on a historical event. I can remember when it was announced that a few American embassy workers had managed to escape across the Iranian border with the help of a film company.

Don't you think the Iranian revolutionaries were being a bit a**hole-ish by imprisoning the entire embassy staff? Forgive me, perhaps I'm guilty of judging them by the western tradition of not punishing an entire group for the sins of a few members, or for the sins of someone else.

[DaShi]

I thought the whole point of embassies was mutually assured hostages.

[regexcellent]

It's based on a historical event. I can remember when it was announced that a few American embassy workers had managed to escape across the Iranian border with the help of a film company.

Don't you think the Iranian revolutionaries were being a bit a**hole-ish by imprisoning the entire embassy staff? Forgive me, perhaps I'm guilty of judging them by the western tradition of not punishing an entire group for the sins of a few members, or for the sins of someone else.

Wait, are you suggesting that there was any aspect of the Iranian actions during the hostage crisis that was acceptable? That taking hostages at all might be okay? That it was somehow our fault? What the ****?

[kentonio]

Is that so unbelievable to you?

"You have no right to complain, because you took our whole country hostage in 1953

[regexcellent]

There is no justification for taking over an embassy. None whatsoever. Dr. Strangelove's suggestion that some of the Americans were "sinners" who deserved to be held hostage is offensive and ridiculous.

Seriously Doc, what the hell is wrong with you?

[Dr Strangelove]

Wait, are you suggesting that there was any aspect of the Iranian actions during the hostage crisis that was acceptable? That taking hostages at all might be okay? That it was somehow our fault? What the ****?

How are your scores in "Reading Comprehension"? Please re-read the last paragraph of my post over and over until you finally understand it.

[Dr Strangelove]

for the sins of a few members, or for the sins of someone else.

The US engineered the coup which overthrew the legitimately elected government of Iran and put the Shah in place. Afterwards the US supplied intelligence and military aid to keep him in place. I'm certain that no one in the embassy in 1979 had been involved in the original coup, which took place nearly 30 years before, but it's possible that some of the personnel had been involved in previously supplying the Shah's government with intelligence and other types of aid. It is afterall common procedure to include military and intelligence attaches amongst embassy personnel. It's also possible that the Carter administration had removed personnel involved in maintaining the Shah's regime, hence why I ended with the phrase "or for the sins of someone else."

[kentonio]

There is no justification for taking over an embassy. None whatsoever. Dr. Strangelove's suggestion that some of the Americans were "sinners" who deserved to be held hostage is offensive and ridiculous.

Seriously Doc, what the hell is wrong with you?

Is there a justification for overthrowing another countries government to install a puppet regime?

*EDIT: Doh, should have read Docs reply before answering. Yeah, what he said.

[regexcellent]

None of the people in that embassy deserved to be held hostage. The hostage-taking was an illegal act which violated their diplomatic immunity. It was done by an islamofascist coup that overthrew a relatively benign government.

Your suggestion that what they did could have somehow been justified under any circumstances is wrong. It demonstrates your anti-American, self-loathing worldview, which is shameful.