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  • Puerto Rico to become 51st state of the USA

    Since it hasn't been big in the news yet, I'd like to inform Poly OT of the results of the Puerto Rico statehood referendum, held simultaneously to the presidential election:


    The New York Times

    November 7, 2012
    Puerto Ricans Opt for Statehood in Referendum
    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

    SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) — A slim majority of Puerto Ricans sought to change their ties with the United States and become the 51st U.S. state in a non-binding referendum that would require final approval from Congress.

    The two-part referendum asked whether the island wanted to change its 114-year relationship with the United States. Nearly 54 percent, or 922,374 people, sought to change it, while 46 percent, or 786,749 people, favored the status quo. Ninety-six percent of 1,643 precincts were reporting as of early Wednesday.

    The second question asked voters to choose from three options, with statehood by far the favorite, garnering 61 percent. Sovereign free association, which would have allowed for more autonomy, received 33 percent, while independence got 5 percent.

    President Barack Obama earlier expressed support for the referendum and pledged to respect the will of the people in the event of a clear majority.

    It is unclear whether U.S. Congress will debate the referendum results or if Obama will consider the results to be a clear enough majority.

    Puerto Rico's resident commissioner Pedro Pierluisi, who has championed statehood, did not return calls for comment. He received 48 percent or 874,914 votes, while his opponent, Rafael Cox Alomar, received 47 percent or 855,732 votes with 96 percent of precincts reporting.

    The island is currently a U.S. territory whose inhabitants are U.S. citizens but are prohibited from voting in presidential elections. Its resident commissioner in the U.S. House also has limited voting powers.

    The future of the island's political status, however, also is dependent on who governs the island.

    According to partial election results, pro-statehood Gov. Luis Fortuno was ousted by a razor thin margin by an opponent who supports the island's current political status.

    With 96 percent of precincts reporting, challenger Alejandro Garcia Padilla with the Popular Democratic Party received 48 percent or 870,005 votes. Fortuno, a Republican and leader of the New Progressive Party, received 47 percent or 855,325 votes.

    Fortuno has not issued comment, while Garcia celebrated what he called a victory.

    "I can assure you we have rescued Puerto Rico," Garcia said. "This is a lesson to those who think that the well-being of Puerto Ricans should be subjected to ideologies."

    Election results also pointed to a major upset for Jorge Santini, who has been mayor of the capital of San Juan for 12 years. His opponent, Carmen Yulin Cruz, received 71,736 votes compared with Santini's 66,945 votes with 96 percent of precincts reporting.

    The island's elections commission said it would resume counting votes late Wednesday morning.


    Both major parties in the US, including both presidential candidates, announced to support either result and thus the wish of the Puertoriqueño voters. Thus, the PR administration will probably make an official statehood bid soon, with large enough chances of US Congress approval.

    Or not? Discuss.

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    BBC:
    Voters in Puerto Rico have supported a non-binding referendum to become a full US state.


    El Pais (Danger - 'tis in forren!):
    El 62,32% de los puertorriqueños votaron a favor de que la isla se convierta en un estado más de la unión

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    • #3
      It will screw up the stars with its uneveness. What will we have 3 rows of 17?
      "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

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      • #4
        According to partial election results, pro-statehood Gov. Luis Fortuno was ousted by a razor thin margin by an opponent who supports the island's current political status.
        Looks like status quo to me.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe View Post
          It will screw up the stars with its uneveness. What will we have 3 rows of 17?
          Are you insane? 51=17*3. 17=9+8. Thus, 9-8-9-8-9-8 will be fine!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe View Post
            It will screw up the stars with its uneveness. What will we have 3 rows of 17?
            We do have a few other colonies we could admit for aesthetics if need be.
            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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            • #7
              LOL the NYT razor thinness.
              "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

              “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                Looks like status quo to me.
                Interesting observation. Hadn't paid attention to domestic politics yet. Will this mean civil war?

                Edit: Frankly, just because he championed the status quo doesn't mean he won't respect the referendum outcome.

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                • #9
                  So 54% want to 'change the relationship', and 66% want statehood. So .54*.66=.36 by my math, hardly a 'clear majority'. I think Obama's language was quite intentional there... and if the state governor has changed to someone who's against statehood, that means it's a definite no go.

                  I'd guess Quebec and/or Scotland gets independence before Puerto Rico gets anything other than what it has now.
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                  • #10
                    What makes you think the 66% are a mere part of the 54%?

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                    • #11
                      Look at the results. The number of people who voted for statehood is in fact smaller than the number of people who voted to change the status quo. But the reason the overall vote share is higher (66 as opposed to 54) is because many people voted blank on the second question. It's still a 44% plurality for statehood if you include the blank votes in the count, which isn't usually done in either elections or referenda.

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                      • #12
                        Is Quebecois independence even on the agenda?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ecthy View Post
                          Edit: Frankly, just because he championed the status quo doesn't mean he won't respect the referendum outcome.
                          You don't think he'd do what he campaigned on?
                          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                          • #14
                            I'm all in favor of Puerto Rico gaining statehood.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ecthy View Post
                              Look at the results. The number of people who voted for statehood is in fact smaller than the number of people who voted to change the status quo. But the reason the overall vote share is higher (66 as opposed to 54) is because many people voted blank on the second question. It's still a 44% plurality for statehood if you include the blank votes in the count, which isn't usually done in either elections or referenda.

                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_...,_2012#Results
                              I direct you to a dictionary, sir. "Plurality" vs "Clear Majority"... they are not the same thing.
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