Support for Prop 37 dropping

[Aeson]

No. You are making the mutation, you're not selecting, by tying together DNA that could never cross-breed, either naturally or through selection.

You're misusing the English language. To "make" a change you first "select" the change you want to make. Where you select the genes from is irrelevant to whether or not you have selected it.

Random mutations happen in nature. Also it's not necessarily impossible to breed the specific genes in question, it would just be much, much more difficult to get to some of them. Some genes are rather simple to get to.

Selecting 2 genes from a wild potato and putting them into commercial potatoes (for instance) is not the end of the world you think it is.

1) There are better ways to achieve this impact

You are actually right about this. However there is roughly 0 chance that we would do what is necessary to do so.

2) Empirical studies suggest that farmers tend to use more roundup, since their plants are resistant to it

They can use it in situations they couldn't before. That's the point. This is a net benefit for humanity. Rather than having to leave extra space between rows to mechanically cultivate, a spray can be applied. This means less land used for a given yield. Less working of the soil. The benefits of this are thus less soil impaction, less soil erosion, and less damage to the crop's roots.

Wrong again! That's the whole point. Substances that are only moderately harmful become extremely toxic when combined with artificial mutations, scientists are not sure why, and Monsanto is actively preventing independent research being done on this.

No, BT is not extremely toxic regardless of whether it's secreted by a GM crop or bacteria. It's toxic to insects. It's safe for mammals.

Monsanto literally bought the entire Clinton admin in the early 1990s, at a critical time when the first GM stuff was entering the market.

Monsanto's attempts to stop moronic legislation from ruining the future of agriculture is to be commended.

(Though you overstate their effect, obviously.)

[Fake Boris]

No, on multiple levels.

Of course you don't know what you're talking about.

Among other commendable activities, they offered a $2m bribe to Health Canada scientists.

[regexcellent]

Any examples of Monsanto spending money to convince the Federal government not to pass laws restricting its products are examples of our system of lobbying actually working perfectly for the good of all Americans and not just wealthy corporations. Such examples are not a critique of our political culture.

[Kuciwalker]

Of course you don't know what you're talking about.

I know very well that

1) Monsanto did not literally buy the entire Clinton admin
2) nor did they literally buy the entire Clinton admin

[kentonio]

Any examples of Monsanto spending money to convince the Federal government not to pass laws restricting its products are examples of our system of lobbying actually working perfectly for the good of all Americans and not just wealthy corporations. Such examples are not a critique of our political culture.

**** is wrong with you? You think its good that companies can basically buy your government?

[Uncle Sparky]

I know very well that

1) Monsanto did not literally buy the entire Clinton admin
2) nor did they literally buy the entire Clinton admin

Define the.

[Zevico]

Hence the constant need for hipster repellent.

Making fun of hipsters? For shame. Let he who is without sin throw the first hissy fit!



Plus, those who mock hipsters risk becoming them. And you wouldn't want to be some mainstream hipster would you?

[N35t0r]

No. You are making the mutation, you're not selecting, by tying together DNA that could never cross-breed, either naturally or through selection.

You are aware that new mutations are arising constantly, independent from cross-breeding, right? In organisms that don't reproduce sexually (and thus for a vast majority of the history of life on earth) this was the only source of genetic diversity, and was what was selected upon?

[Fake Boris]

I know very well that

1) Monsanto did not literally buy the entire Clinton admin
2) nor did they literally buy the entire Clinton admin

So your point is that they only bought the people they needed to pass their legislation?

Bravissimo, you have contributed to this thread!

[Fake Boris]

You are aware that new mutations are arising constantly, independent from cross-breeding, right? In organisms that don't reproduce sexually (and thus for a vast majority of the history of life on earth) this was the only source of genetic diversity, and was what was selected upon?

It doesn't matter, since evidence indicates that current manipulation methods generate organisms that are harmful to living beings. The plausible interpretation is that artificial mutations are different for reasons we don't understand yet. The reason for it could be that the pattern for mutations we think are random would be more complex. In any case, Monsanto is bribing the **** out of everyone in the world just to make sure the obvious flaws in their GMOs are not revealed by independent studies.

[molly bloom]

Indeed. Other than astronomy, mathematics, chemistry, physics, history and philosophy, what has the Roman Catholic church ever done for us?

Covered up institutionalized paedophilia, engaged in slave trading, encouraged mass murder and assassination, hidden wanted Nazis and Croatian Fascists, banned a ludicrous amount of reading material... ah well. There's always a flipside.

[Kuciwalker]

So your point is that they only bought the people they needed to pass their legislation?

No, my point was that everything about your sentence was figurative.

[regexcellent]

No, my point was that everything about your sentence was figurative.

However his figurative statement was also literally wrong.

**** is wrong with you? You think its good that companies can basically buy your government?

Aside from the fact that I dispute the premise, apparently, in this instance, it turned out to be a good thing.