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  • #76
    A new poll shows that the Tea Party has accomplished its mission:

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Racial attitudes have not improved in the four years since the United States elected its first black president, an Associated Press poll finds, as a slight majority of Americans now express prejudice toward blacks whether they recognize those feelings or not.

    Those views could cost President Barack Obama votes as he tries for re-election, the survey found, though the effects are mitigated by some people's more favorable views of blacks.

    Racial prejudice has increased slightly since 2008 whether those feelings were measured using questions that explicitly asked respondents about racist attitudes, or through an experimental test that measured implicit views toward race without asking questions about that topic directly.

    In all, 51 percent of Americans now express explicit anti-black attitudes, compared with 48 percent in a similar 2008 survey. When measured by an implicit racial attitudes test, the number of Americans with anti-black sentiments jumped to 56 percent, up from 49 percent during the last presidential election. In both tests, the share of Americans expressing pro-black attitudes fell.

    "As much as we'd hope the impact of race would decline over time ... it appears the impact of anti-black sentiment on voting is about the same as it was four years ago," said Jon Krosnick, a Stanford University professor who worked with AP to develop the survey.

    Most Americans expressed anti-Hispanic sentiments, too. In an AP survey done in 2011, 52 percent of non-Hispanic whites expressed anti-Hispanic attitudes. That figure rose to 57 percent in the implicit test. The survey on Hispanics had no past data for comparison.

    The AP surveys were conducted with researchers from Stanford University, the University of Michigan and NORC at the University of Chicago.

    Experts on race said they were not surprised by the findings.

    "We have this false idea that there is uniformity in progress and that things change in one big step. That is not the way history has worked," said Jelani Cobb, professor of history and director of the Institute for African-American Studies at the University of Connecticut. "When we've seen progress, we've also seen backlash."

    Obama has tread cautiously on the subject of race, but many African-Americans have talked openly about perceived antagonism toward them since Obama took office. As evidence, they point to events involving police brutality or cite bumper stickers, cartoons and protest posters that mock the president as a lion or a monkey, or lynch him in effigy.

    "Part of it is growing polarization within American society," said Fredrick Harris, director of the Institute for Research in African-American Studies at Columbia University. "The last Democrat in the White House said we had to have a national discussion about race. There's been total silence around issues of race with this president. But, as you see, whether there is silence, or an elevation of the discussion of race, you still have polarization. It will take more generations, I suspect, before we eliminate these deep feelings."

    Overall, the survey found that by virtue of racial prejudice, Obama could lose 5 percentage points off his share of the popular vote in his Nov. 6 contest against Republican challenger Mitt Romney. But Obama also stands to benefit from a 3 percentage point gain due to pro-black sentiment, researchers said. Overall, that means an estimated net loss of 2 percentage points due to anti-black attitudes.

    The poll finds that racial prejudice is not limited to one group of partisans. Although Republicans were more likely than Democrats to express racial prejudice in the questions measuring explicit racism (79 percent among Republicans compared with 32 percent among Democrats), the implicit test found little difference between the two parties. That test showed a majority of both Democrats and Republicans held anti-black feelings (55 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of Republicans), as did about half of political independents (49 percent).

    Obama faced a similar situation in 2008, the survey then found.

    The AP developed the surveys to measure sensitive racial views in several ways and repeated those studies several times between 2008 and 2012.

    The explicit racism measures asked respondents whether they agreed or disagreed with a series of statements about black and Hispanic people. In addition, the surveys asked how well respondents thought certain words, such as "friendly," ''hardworking," ''violent" and "lazy," described blacks, whites and Hispanics.

    The same respondents were also administered a survey designed to measure implicit racism, in which a photo of a black, Hispanic or white male flashed on the screen before a neutral image of a Chinese character. The respondents were then asked to rate their feelings toward the Chinese character. Previous research has shown that people transfer their feelings about the photo onto the character, allowing researchers to measure racist feelings even if a respondent does not acknowledge them.

    Results from those questions were analyzed with poll takers' ages, partisan beliefs, views on Obama and Romney and other factors, which allowed researchers to predict the likelihood that people would vote for either Obama or Romney. Those models were then used to estimate the net impact of each factor on the candidates' support.

    All the surveys were conducted online. Other research has shown that poll takers are more likely to share unpopular attitudes when they are filling out a survey using a computer rather than speaking with an interviewer. Respondents were randomly selected from a nationally representative panel maintained by GfK Custom Research.

    Overall results from each survey have a margin of sampling error of approximately plus or minus 4 percentage points. The most recent poll, measuring anti-black views, was conducted Aug. 30 to Sept. 11.

    Andra Gillespie, an Emory University political scientist who studies race-neutrality among black politicians, contrasted the situation to that faced by the first black mayors elected in major U.S. cities, the closest parallel to Obama's first-black situation. Those mayors, she said, typically won about 20 percent of the white vote in their first races, but when seeking reelection they enjoyed greater white support presumably because "the whites who stayed in the cities ... became more comfortable with a black executive."

    "President Obama's election clearly didn't change those who appear to be sort of hard-wired folks with racial resentment," she said.

    Negative racial attitudes can manifest in policy, noted Alan Jenkins, an assistant solicitor general during the Clinton administration and now executive director of the Opportunity Agenda think tank.

    "That has very real circumstances in the way people are treated by police, the way kids are treated by teachers, the way home seekers are treated by landlords and real estate agents," Jenkins said.

    Hakeem Jeffries, a New York state assemblyman and candidate for a congressional seat being vacated by a fellow black Democrat, called it troubling that more progress on racial attitudes had not been made. Jeffries has fought a New York City police program of "stop and frisk" that has affected mostly blacks and Latinos but which supporters contend is not racially focused.

    "I do remain cautiously optimistic that the future of America bends toward the side of increased racial tolerance," Jeffries said. "We've come a long way, but clearly these results demonstrate there's a long way to go."
    "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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    • #77
      What does Thomas Sowell have to do with Lawrence Wilkerson?
      A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
        Wow, a retired army colonel said the GOP is racist. The fact that he is a retired army colonel gives him so much credibility! I should believe everything he says because he fits a GOP demographic and he's criticizing the GOP.
        You mean that and the fact that he was Colin Powells chief of staff?

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        • #79
          There are racists in the GOP, but that doesn't excuse the Obama administration's lies and deception.
          John Brown did nothing wrong.

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          • #80
            Oh please, compared to the GOP the Dems have been paragons of honesty recently.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by MrFun View Post
              Some of those "reasons" such as what this thread is about, are just grasping at straws, since racists often know that it's not politically correct to just come out and blatantly oppose Obama because he's black.
              Is the only reason you support Obama born out of white guilt? It makes as much sense as what you accuse me of. But since the race card is the last resort of the intellectually bankrupt, can I take this as an admission that you can not defend the Administration's actions in this incident?
              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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              • #82
                Oh what tangled webs we weave...



                Breaking news on Benghazi: the CIA spokesman, presumably at the direction of CIA director David Petraeus, has put out this statement: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. ”*


                So who in the government did tell “anybody” not to help those in need? Someone decided not to send in military assets to help those Agency operators. Would the secretary of defense make such a decision on his own? No.

                It would have been a presidential decision. There was presumably a rationale for such a decision. What was it? When and why—and based on whose counsel obtained in what meetings or conversations—did President Obama decide against sending in military assets to help the Americans in need?*
                "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                  Oh please, compared to the GOP the Dems have been paragons of honesty recently.
                  The GOP can claim that the sky is green and two plus two are five, it doesn't matter because they're not in office. The Democrats control the White House, the Democrats allowed an ambassador to be murdered, and the Democrats are doing everything they can to cover it up.
                  John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                  • #84
                    Sure, just keep telling yourself that this is some huge watergate style coverup.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                      You mean that and the fact that he was Colin Powells chief of staff?
                      Hey, I know an active duty colonel and work with him on a day to day basis! Like most of his fellow field grade Army officers, I'm pretty goddamn sure he votes for the GOP!

                      Guess who else is a retired (Lieutenant) Colonel: Allen West.

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                      • #86
                        What the hell are you talking about? When the chief of staff to a former US Secretary of State says that a lot of his party are racists, then you listen to him. His military experience hasn't got a damn thing to do with it.

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                        • #87
                          No, you don't. There are lots of idiots out there calling the GOP racist. I'm sure some people who are racist vote Republican. But the party is not inherently racist.

                          His military experience and experience as the chief of staff to the secretary of state do NOT give him additional credibility in the discussion of race relations vis a vis partisan politics.

                          The fact that someone like Allen West gets elected as a TEA PARTY REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE in the South should give you a different idea.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                            No, you don't. There are lots of idiots out there calling the GOP racist. I'm sure some people who are racist vote Republican. But the party is not inherently racist.

                            His military experience and experience as the chief of staff to the secretary of state do NOT give him additional credibility in the discussion of race relations vis a vis partisan politics.

                            The fact that someone like Allen West gets elected as a TEA PARTY REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE in the South should give you a different idea.
                            You just summed up exactly why your party is on the road to self destruction. The chief of staff to a black Sec State knows more than you ever will about the behaviour of the major figures of the party. When he talks about there being a lot of racism there, its because he's seen it and worked for a man who directly experienced it. How ****ing dare you say he doesn't know what he's talking about?

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                              How ****ing dare you say he doesn't know what he's talking about?
                              If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                                When he talks about there being a lot of racism there, its because he's seen it and worked for a man who directly experienced it.
                                Evidence for this assertion?
                                "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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