More Believe In Space Aliens Than In God According To U.K. Survey

[Zevico]

People don't realize their belief in universal gravitation is a religious belief.

Ah, and therein is the problem, isn't it? Belief is religious. Science is not a matter of religion. Science is a question of fact. The difference between a scientific theorem and a religious belief is that one is capable of being proven or disproven by experimentation and observation. It is not a matter of belief. To believe in a scientific theorem is to make a mockery of the scientific method. To know that universal gravitation is a correct theorem based on our current knowledge is different from stating that we believe it to be true.

[Kidlicious]

Ah, and therein is the problem, isn't it? Belief is religious. Science is not a matter of religion. Science is a question of fact. The difference between a scientific theorem and a religious belief is that one is capable of being proven or disproven by experimentation and observation. It is not a matter of belief. To believe in a scientific theorem is to make a mockery of the scientific method. To know that universal gravitation is a correct theorem based on our current knowledge is different from stating that we believe it to be true.

No, a scientific theorem only needs to be based on measurable evidence, not fact.

[Zevico]

No, a scientific theorem only needs to be based on measurable evidence, not fact.

What distinction are you making between measurable evidence and fact?
Define 'measurable.'

[Uncle Sparky]

Or that Vikings drove SUVs in Greenland.

I've been to Minnesota and believe this is probable.

[Kidlicious]

What distinction are you making between measurable evidence and fact?
Define 'measurable.'

•Sea level rise
•Global temperature rise
•Warming oceans
•Shrinking ice sheets
•Declining Arctic sea ice
•Glaciers retreating
•Extreme Climate Events
•Oceans become more acidic

[giblets]

Ah, and therein is the problem, isn't it? Belief is religious. Science is not a matter of religion. Science is a question of fact. The difference between a scientific theorem and a religious belief is that one is capable of being proven or disproven by experimentation and observation. It is not a matter of belief. To believe in a scientific theorem is to make a mockery of the scientific method. To know that universal gravitation is a correct theorem based on our current knowledge is different from stating that we believe it to be true.

Science doesn't provide absolute proof of anything. It can, however, provide sufficient evidence for you to accept a theory and believe it. This isn't religious, any more than believing based on overwhelming evidence that a man murdered his wife would be religious.

[Zevico]

•Sea level rise
•Global temperature rise
•Warming oceans
•Shrinking ice sheets
•Declining Arctic sea ice
•Glaciers retreating
•Extreme Climate Events
•Oceans become more acidic
•Plagues of locusts
•Fire breathing from the sky
•Earth god angry
•To appease Earth god, waste immense amounts of money on worthless monuments to earth

That's nice, but you haven't answered the question.

[Aeson]

I believe, before opening the thread, that the laws of the universe will remain constant. This leads me to expect that there will be something hilariously stupid said in the thread. Thus I open the thread.

[Kidlicious]

That's nice, but you haven't answered the question.

No, but I did better. I listed all of the measurable evidence.

[Kidlicious]

I think it's interesting to see that some people who don't believe in God don't believe other things that there is a good deal of measurable evidence for.

[Zevico]

No, but I did better. I listed all of the measurable evidence.

Define "measurable evidence." I mean really, without a definition that accords with the scientific method, what are you on about?

[Kidlicious]

Define "measurable evidence." I mean really, without a definition that accords with the scientific method, what are you on about?

I'm not going to define measurable evidence because I think that's not necessary.

[Zevico]

Well, you're making a distinction between measurable evidence and fact. What is that distinction? Can you explain it?

[Kidlicious]

Well, you're making a distinction between measurable evidence and fact. What is that distinction? Can you explain it?

A scientific fact is an observation that can be confirmed repeatedly. Science is not based only on facts because some truths can not be confirmed repeatedly, but we can believe that they are true based on measurable evidence.

[Zevico]

Science is not based only on facts because some truths can not be confirmed repeatedly, but we can believe that they are true based on measurable evidence.

So science is based on beliefs that are true based on "measurable evidence," but "measurable evidence" is whatever you say it is, because you don't have a definition for it.