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  • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
    So how do you define sin, Imran? You're a Christian. I'm interested - because it's pretty simple for me. The bible says so - so it is sin.

    How do you decide Imran?
    Sin is distancing yourself from God. Anything that moves you away from God is sin.

    The Bible tends to also say tattoos are an abomination - though, of course, that was prior to Jesus's exortation to live by the Spirit and not the Law. Jesus was also adamant that the law boils down to one should love God (by worship & praise - not by slavishly following rules) and love others. Doing anything contrary to that would be sinful.
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    • Post above is a prime example of intelligent versus organized religion.

      Good on you Imran
      "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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      • Originally posted by Asher View Post
        There's a bunch of hilarity in the quote, even if this is the case.

        There's a fire on the plane, and his first thought is how to get more oxygen in the plane.
        Um, yes.
        "You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran

        Eschewing silly games since December 4, 2005

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        • Originally posted by Asher View Post
          There's a bunch of hilarity in the quote, even if this is the case.

          There's a fire on the plane, and his first thought is how to get more oxygen in the plane.
          What do you suppose happens when the plane runs out of oxygen? Sure, the fire goes out, but let's put on our thinking caps. What happens next?
          If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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          • Gee, I wonder what those little masks are for that fall out of the overhead compartments..

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            • Originally posted by dannubis View Post
              Post above is a prime example of intelligent versus organized religion.

              Good on you Imran
              Thanks, but my views have been pushed and shaped by my organized religious faith (I'm a Lutheran) and by reading those who belong to organized religion. So, basically, organized religion isn't all bad (but neither, of course, is it all good).
              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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              • Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                Gee, I wonder what those little masks are for that fall out of the overhead compartments..
                That also leaves you strapped to the inside of the airplane. I think the goal is to escape.
                If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                • Originally posted by Asher View Post
                  The compassionate thing to do is to give it the funding it needs. How can you not even comprehend this third option?
                  Because the funding it needs grows without bound until it consumes the entire federal budget and the country goes bankrupt.
                  If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                  • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                    That also leaves you strapped to the inside of the airplane. I think the goal is to escape.
                    You won't escape through the windows unless you are very thin indeed.
                    "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                    • Originally posted by Jaguar View Post
                      Um, yes.
                      Did you study science in school?
                      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                      • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                        Because the funding it needs grows without bound until it consumes the entire federal budget and the country goes bankrupt.
                        I'm confused.

                        The world's richest country can't accomplish what every other developed country can?
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                        • Originally posted by Asher View Post
                          Did you study science in school?
                          Opening the windows wouldn't allow anyone to escape.

                          What it would do is fuel the fire.

                          It's what a simpleton would suggest, not someone with capability for rational thought. I see you and HC are in the former category.



                          Air Canada Flight 797 was a scheduled trans-border flight that flew on a Dallas/Fort Worth-Toronto-Montreal route. On 2 June 1983, the aircraft developed an in-flight fire behind the washroom that spread between the outer skin and the inner decor panels, filling the plane with toxic smoke. The spreading fire also burned through crucial electrical cables that knocked out most of the instrumentation in the cockpit, forcing the plane to divert to an alternative landing field. Ninety seconds after the plane landed and the doors were opened, the heat of the fire and fresh oxygen from the open exit doors created flashover conditions, and the plane's interior quickly became engulfed in flames, killing 23 passengers who were yet to evacuate the aircraft.
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                          • What else depends on oxygen for survival?
                            "You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran

                            Eschewing silly games since December 4, 2005

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                            • Originally posted by Asher View Post
                              Did you study science in school?
                              Quite a bit. In fact, I studied more science in high school than most do in college. Did you skip biology?
                              If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                              • Originally posted by Jaguar View Post
                                What else depends on oxygen for survival?
                                Humans, except the opening of windows would create the flashover conditions which kills far faster.

                                Planes are designed such that there are enough emergency exits to egress the aircraft before most fires would burn through the breathable atmosphere.

                                If you're in an airplane where the fire is so intense that this is not the case, the opening of windows would immediately create flashovers which would toast virtually everyone on the airplane instantaneously in a gruesome fireball.

                                Why do you think no one has made those windows able to open? Romney is not more intelligent than 80 years of aeronautical engineers.
                                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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