Patriotism

[loinburger]

I don't see why a French man shouldn't be proud to be French, Germans, etc. Losing that would be losing a big part of who you are.

Says the expatriate

[Guynemer]

America's the only one that sees it as a virtue.

[Lorizael]

Says the expatriate

He left because he was disgusted by all the Canadians that weren't patriotic about Canada.

[Asher]

America's the only one that sees it as a virtue.

Completely untrue. Nazi Germany also did.

[snoopy369]

Technically he stated that in the present tense, so that wouldn't be a counterargument.

Although it would be an effective counterargument to the virtue part I guess...

[SlowwHand]

Now, in the interests of actually keeping this thread afloat, here is something I got by searching for "Patriotic lolcat."

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How is this patriotic? Discuss.

[Elok]

I'd like to thank BK for defibrillating this thread with a silly remark.

Imran: Why should proximity have any bearing on our respect/treatment of strangers? I'm not speaking from a Christian POV here, what with the universal-love requirement. But if A and B are both strangers, why should either's place of residence influence our emotions toward them?

[Guynemer]

What patriotism means to me is that, if I were to mediate between the competing interests of a person from San Francisco, Columbus, ... and one from ..., I should give some sort of preference to the American, even if I don't know either from Adam.

Oh God, don't. People here are awful. AWFUL.

[Hauldren Collider]

Says the expatriate

[Imran Siddiqui]

Imran: Why should proximity have any bearing on our respect/treatment of strangers? I'm not speaking from a Christian POV here, what with the universal-love requirement. But if A and B are both strangers, why should either's place of residence influence our emotions toward them?

Was simply using it as an example. Ie, why is under the same federal government greater tie than proximity?

[Dr Strangelove]

Completely untrue. Nazi Germany also did.

...... and Soviet Russia. Don't forget them.

[dannubis]

The French are not patriotic/idiotic ?

The nation state BTW is an obsolete concept in the present world.

[Jon Miller]

My view is that patriotism/nationalism does a good job combatting tribalism and the "I've got mine" effect.

I appreciate that some people can not be tribal or selfish to such an extant without being nationalistic, and can see why such people would want to move past nationalism. But when I look at the tribalism/etc that seems to come to the forefront when nationalism is made subordinate, I think that we are not ready yet as a world to move past nationalism.

JM

[dannubis]

Ah well, economic reality usually shapes social thinking so in the end we will catch up I guess...

[Jon Miller]

Or the "I've got mine" group will dominate economically with the rest going tribal...

JM