I want to believe in evolution

[Kidlicious]

Oh, so God allows you to judge whether someone is a "jackass" who you don't have to treat you with kindness?

I haven't done anything wrong to him. He's the one acting like a jackass.

[giblets]

5 And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How do you read it?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And he said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this, and you will live.”

29 But he, desiring to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” 30 Jesus replied, “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he fell among robbers, who stripped him and beat him and departed, leaving him half dead. 31 Now by chance a priest was going down that road, and when he saw him he passed by on the other side. 32 So likewise a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he journeyed, came to where he was, and when he saw him, he had compassion. 34 He went to him and bound up his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he set him on his own animal and brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 And the next day he took out two denarii[a] and gave them to the innkeeper, saying, ‘Take care of him, and whatever more you spend, I will repay you when I come back.’ 36 Which of these three, do you think, proved to be a neighbor to the man who fell among the robbers?” 37 He said, “The one who showed him mercy.” And Jesus said to him, “You go, and do likewise.”

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+10%3A25-37&version=ESV

Gee... didn't the Jews thinks the Samaritans were a bunch of "jackasses"?

[Kidlicious]

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...12&version=ESV
Yeah, I'm not seeing any exceptions to who is a "neighbor" there.

Your neighbor is someone who needs help. John doesn't need me to allow him to be a jackass.

[Proteus_MST]

Let me try this just one more time. You aren't going to find out how things exist with science, because the scientific laws say that every effect has a cause. It is not a cop out to say, how else could things exist if an omnipotent God didn't create it.

Lets assume that there really is an omnipotent Demiurgos, who evades, for some reason, the law of cause and effect.
In his case we still don´t know if he has any similarity with any of the Demiurges that are described in ancient myths or religions.
We don´t know if it is a single "god" or a whole pantheon ....
the Demiurgos could be represented by any religion of the world ... he could be represented by the nordic Aesir, by the Majan Creator gods, by Vishnu in Hinduism, by tghe christian god, by the gnostic god above god, and by many many more religion. Hell, it might even be that H.P. Lovecraft was onto something and the creator god somehow resembles Azathoth
There would even be the possibility that there is a Demiurgos, but not a single religion describes him and that he never ever had any contacts with human beings.

With other words, even if we assume that the world was created by an omnipotent demiurgos it doesn´t solve anything ... neither does it prove the truth of any religion, nor does it tell us, what was its purpose for creating the universe.

[Kidlicious]

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...37&version=ESV

Gee... didn't the Jews thinks the Samaritans were a bunch of "jackasses"?

"Don't judge by appearances, but make a correct judgement."

[Kidlicious]

Lets assume that there really is an omnipotent Demiurgos, who evades, for some reason, the law of cause and effect.
In his case we still don´t know if he has any similarity with any of the Demiurges that are described in ancient myths or religions.
We don´t know if it is a single "god" or a whole pantheon ....
the Demiurgos could be represented by any religion of the world ... he could be represented by the nordic Aesir, by the Majan Creator gods, by Vishnu in Hinduism, by tghe christian god, by the gnostic god above god, and by many many more religion. Hell, it might even be that H.P. Lovecraft was onto something and the creator god somehow resembles Azathoth
There would even be the possibility that there is a Demiurgos, but not a single religion describes him and that he never ever had any contacts with human beings.

With other words, even if we assume that the world was created by an omnipotent demiurgos it doesn´t solve anything ... neither does it prove the truth of any religion, nor does it tell us, what was its purpose for creating the universe.

True. And everyone who has faith believes what they want to believe. God created people to believe what they want to believe. You never choose chocolate ice cream if it makes you throw up. If you really like vanilla you always eat vanilla.

[kentonio]

What is your basis for saying that he is giant, a unicorn, and has rainbow mane?

What's your basis for anything you 'know' about god? Absolutely nothing other than what was written down in a book thousands of years ago by other humans. How about if I write a book about the giant ****ting unicorn with the rainbow mane? Will that have less validity because I'm not a middle eastern goat herder from a couple of millenia ago?

Which part of "the evidence points to a finite age of the universe" don't you get? All of this doesn't mean anything. You are talking irrelevancy. What does it have to do with anything?

The 'evidence' is nothing but the information we have so far managed to gather using our extremely primitive tools, and as I just pointed out even what is being found raises question marks over whether the big bang could be considered a real starting point as it appears there may be traces of something older. If you want to discuss all this stuff then lets do it, but please stop just telling me that anything that doesn't agree with your preconception is irrelevant or doesn't mean anything, because a) its ****ing rude and b) it's not true. If you want to insist that theres only one way things can be just because you say it is so, then go talk to Ben.

[Kidlicious]

kentonio,

If you were to write a book, inventing God, I'm sorry but it would suck. The point is, the Bible is true because it is very good.

[snoopy369]

You're telling me Stephen King's The Dark Tower saga is true?

[Kidlicious]

You're telling me Stephen King's The Dark Tower saga is true?

Tell me when Stephen King claims that it's true as he's put to death for it.

[snoopy369]

Wait, Jesus wrote the bible?

[Alexander's Horse]

Good point, and contrary to what fundy Christians think, Jesus didn't say "read this book" because it didn't exist in his day.

[Kidlicious]

Wait, Jesus wrote the bible?

All but one of the disciples were executed a cruel painful death for continuing the work and creating the church.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Good point, and contrary to what fundy Christians think, Jesus didn't say "read this book" because it didn't exist in his day.

Well the first part of it did .

[Kidlicious]

Good point, and contrary to what fundy Christians think, Jesus didn't say "read this book" because it didn't exist in his day.

I think you mean the NT didn't exist. Jesus referred to scripture many times which shows the importance of it.