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    Plans for a £30bn barrage across the Severn estuary have been given a boost after Prime Minister David Cameron instructed officials to look into them.

    It follows a meeting with Peter Hain, who left his post as shadow Welsh secretary to back the project.

    Supporters say the barrage, from the Vale of Glamorgan to Somerset, would provide 5% of the UK's electricity and create thousands of jobs.

    But environmentalists object, and say it would harm local wildlife.

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    It's encouraging that Number 10 are taking the barrage much more seriously than has been the case over the last few years”

    Peter Hain MP
    Labour, Neath
    It is understood much of the funding for the scheme would come from Kuwait and Qatar.

    "We had a very good meeting - the prime minister promised to look into it," Mr Hain told BBC Wales.

    "It was a more productive meeting than might have been expected. It's encouraging that Number 10 are taking the barrage much more seriously than has been the case over the last few years.

    "Government support is an absolute pre-requisite for getting the whole project underway.

    "Not a penny of taxpayers' money would be needed for this £30bn investment, which would be transformative for Wales.

    "It would create 20,000 jobs in construction and another 30,000 in activity around the barrage."

    The UK government previously rejected plans following a two-year feasibility study found the cost could be up to £34bn, double the initial estimate.

    Privately financed
    It did not, however, rule out private schemes.

    Last year, the Corlan Hafren consortium submitted a business plan to the Department of Energy and Climate Change outlining a new proposal.

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    Putting all our eggs into one risky project would block other possibilities, and the growth in jobs and technology these could produce”

    Friends of the Earth
    Mr Hain said this project would not call on public funds but would be entirely privately financed.

    It wants to generate electricity on both ebb and flow tides and includes an extra 800 turbines.

    The change may have some environmental benefits in reducing flood risk and improving coastal drainage upstream, according to the consortium.

    But the barrage will still reduce the tidal range, which is the second highest in the world, from 14m (about 46ft) at spring tide to 7m (about 23ft).

    The barrage could also have a road and railway running along the top.

    A Downing Street spokesman said: "The prime minister met Peter Hain and Corlan Hafren last month to discuss the Severn barrage proposal.

    Divided opinion
    "The government is keen to promote a diverse range of energy supply and will consider the proposals carefully."

    However, the project has divided opinion.

    In May, a spokesperson for the RSPB said it "wishes to see Severn tidal energy harnessed but not at the expense of important and protected wildlife".

    "We will support technologies or alternative schemes that could deliver this, but the conventional barrage would be an environmental disaster and be in breach of the EU habitats directive."

    A spokesperson for Friends of the Earth has also said that harnessing tidal energy was "vitally important," but called this project "the wrong solution".

    Friends of the Earth said tidal energy can be captured "by other technologies with considerably less damaging consequences".

    "Putting all our eggs into one risky project would block other possibilities, and the growth in jobs and technology these could produce."
    Plans for a £30bn barrage across the Severn estuary are given a boost as Prime Minister David Cameron instructs officials to look into the project.



    The plans should never have been dropped in the first place. And **** the ducks and wading seabirds- this is what we need.
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    Wait since when have ducks been endangered? I mean, christ, just throw bread in a pond and wait an hour.

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    • #3
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny View Post
        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-s...wales-19311254


        The plans should never have been dropped in the first place. And **** the ducks and wading seabirds- this is what we need.
        No, it's far more complex than all that...

        People need to seriously see how much of Corlen Hafren's proposal is actually feasible...

        Still, OK then if we get to **** Bristol up the arse and it's actually really good for Wales at the expense of the English side of the estuary...
        Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MOBIUS View Post
          No, it's far more complex than all that...

          People need to seriously see how much of Corlen Hafren's proposal is actually feasible...
          Make us see, in that case. Otherwise those words are just a waste of time.
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          • #6
            Barrage = the very real risk of the BPA losing its deep sea container port!

            Corlan Hafren proposes building the equivalent in Port Talbot...

            Be careful what you wish for, Bugs...
            Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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            • #7
              Oh, PS:

              WALES! WALES! WALES!

              Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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              • #8
                Ever stopped to consider why the company 'Corlan Hafren' chose a Welsh name...?
                Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MOBIUS View Post
                  Barrage = the very real risk of the BPA losing its deep sea container port!

                  Corlan Hafren proposes building the equivalent in Port Talbot...

                  Be careful what you wish for, Bugs...

                  Is that all? I'll take the barrage, thanks.
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                  • #10
                    It's likely to be a huge white elephant.

                    It will create huge environmental problems.

                    There are probably better ways to harness the tidal power in the estuary.

                    It will be hugely expensive!

                    It will likely take at least a decade to become operational from when they actually decide to start building it!

                    One decent sized nuclear power station (e.g. the Hinkley proposals) does the same as the barrage.

                    It will likely scupper the deep sea container port on England's side.

                    Seriously, the reasons for not knee-jerking into what is possibly a very dumb idea, are extremely persuasive!
                    Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                    • #11
                      I'll still take both the barrage and the extra nuclear power station at Hinkley Point, thanks. A decade sounds quite quick- if it was a nuclear power station, the public inquiries and debates would take that long before a single brick was laid.
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                      • #12
                        It is also proposed to last 120 years, nuclear plant is 30-40 years.

                        So you really need to compare it to the cost of commissioning and decommissioning 4 nuclear plants. And there is also the flood defence aspect which hasn't been mentioned?

                        Considering various barrages have been considered for about 130 years I don't think it could be thought of as knee jerking. Also - Port Talbot is already an industrial hell on earth. Perfect for a container port.

                        Knee jerk reaction to dismiss the idea out of hand is at least as bad as a knee jerk reaction to approve the scheme right?
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                        • #13
                          It's strikingly reminiscent of when I lived in Cardiff 20 years back, and the proposed Cardiff Bay Barrage.

                          "IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE!! IT'LL TURN THE WHOLE AREA INTO A STINKING OPEN SEWER!! IT'LL DESTROY THE UNIQUE CHARACTER OF TIGER BAY!! IT'LL BE A WHITE ELEPHANT!!! THINK OF THE DUCKS AND WADING SEABIRDS!! IT'LL DESTROY THE FABRIC OF THE UNIVERSE AS WE KNOW IT!!!"

                          But they built it. And it was great, and turned the Bay into a lovely place whilst providing a big boost to the local economy. With fewer Shelducks, admittedly, but you can't win 'em all.

                          So if they do take the cheapest option which would close Bristol's docks to container ships, that could move about 500 jobs to Port Talbot- which (with the improved transport links provided by the Sever Barrage) would be about a 20 minute drive away. I know- it's the end of the world. Plus there would be some 20,000 local jobs in the construction, followed by longer-term employment from the ongoing operation of the barrage.

                          Plus roughly a million environmental arguments in favour of it, of course.

                          I'll definitely take the barrage, thanks.
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                          • #14
                            Yeah, I wish I could go out and buy a Diesel engined car. Imagine a world where such a thing was possible.
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                            • #15
                              Right. Post your preferred barrage plans.
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