Fight against so-called voter "fraud" unwittingly targets legitimate voters.

[kentonio]

How about the open admission from various prominent state Republicans that voter ID laws are about trying to stop Democractic voters from voting? Funny how none of you disingenuous, anti-democratic folks ever have anything to say about that.

[DinoDoc]

Perhaps try answering the RI example (as it has been pointed out numerous times in this thread) before claiming its a GOP plot to keep brown and black people from voting and no Democrat has even touched a Voter ID bill.

[Felch]

Because, I and others think that this drive against so-called voter fraud is actually a racist-motivated attack on legitimate citizens' right to vote. They don't want that black man to be reelected as president.

And you're okay with voter fraud as long as the Democrats win elections.

[kentonio]

Perhaps try answering the RI example (as it has been pointed out numerous times in this thread) before claiming its a GOP plot to keep brown and black people from voting and no Democrat has even touched a Voter ID bill.

Please quote where I said that no Democrat has even touched a voter ID bill.

Again though you dodge, please explain how when we have prominent GOP figures saying its all about the partisan vote grabbing that we're supposed to just suspend disbelief and buy into the super secret mystery fraud epidemic that no-ones even shown any proof of.

I have to assume that you're all just being partisan whores about it, because no-one is that ****ing gullible.

[Wezil]

It's too bad this is a US-centric discussion. I posted electoral failings requiring stricter regs from our last election in which the Liberals are upset...

Targetting voter fraud is not a left vs right issue for me.

[Felch]

Probably because when they did ask voters to prove their citizenship only around 0.01% were found to have possibly committed voter fraud. The whole thing is a waste of money and will likely prevent more legitimate voters from voting than illegitimate voters. You'd be cancelling out a lot more legitimate votes.

So you're okay with illegal votes being cast?

[kentonio]

Targetting voter fraud is not a left vs right issue for me.

It wouldn't be for me if the US right didn't insist on using it as a tool for disenfranchisement.

[Felch]

Please quote where I said that no Democrat has even touched a voter ID bill.

Again though you dodge, please explain how when we have prominent GOP figures saying its all about the partisan vote grabbing that we're supposed to just suspend disbelief and buy into the super secret mystery fraud epidemic that no-ones even shown any proof of.

I have to assume that you're all just being partisan whores about it, because no-one is that ****ing gullible.

Elections are run according to rules. Those rules are the same for everybody, and those rules should apply to everybody. If under the new rules the GOP does better, that just means that the Democrats need to adjust. Asking people for ID is far less offensive than gerrymandering or the other horse**** we're accustomed to. At least ID laws have some conceivable purpose, while the other electoral manipulations exist purely to keep the powerful in power.

[kentonio]

Elections are run according to rules. Those rules are the same for everybody, and those rules should apply to everybody. If under the new rules the GOP does better, that just means that the Democrats need to adjust. Asking people for ID is far less offensive than gerrymandering or the other horse**** we're accustomed to. At least ID laws have some conceivable purpose, while the other electoral manipulations exist purely to keep the powerful in power.

If they gave a toss about electoral integrity they'd bring it in immediately after a presidential election and spend 4 years ensuring that everyone had easy access to a suitable free ID. If that was the story, then I think the number of people complaining about it would be counted on one hand. Instead they've cherry picked forms of acceptable ID to cut off as many Dem leaning demographics as possible, tried to cut voting times to prevent people voting at weekends etc, and done as many other things as they can to stop the Dem vote. They've then been stupid enough to admit it, and yet you insist its all about integrity. Yeah, sure.

[DinoDoc]

Please quote where I said that no Democrat has even touched a voter ID bill.

As for this issue being a GOP issue not really. The issue is a matter of states having the ability to police their own elections as is duly authorized them.

..and completely coincidentally the states who wish to do this all happen to be under GOP control?

Good enough?

[kentonio]

Good enough?

No not really, I was wrong because I missed out Rhode Island, but that's still a long way from 'no Democrat has even touched a voter ID bill'. It's also worth noting that the Rhode Island version of voter ID includes a much more wide range of forms of ID that can be used. It's almost like they're actually doing it just to try and ensure the integrity of elections, not to stop people voting.

[Wezil]

And how many will RI disenfranchise?

What is their voter fraud rate going into the exercise?

[kentonio]

And how many will RI disenfranchise?

A lot less than the GOP states I'd imagine given that allow people to use things like gym ID's and student cards as ID.

[Felch]

If they gave a toss about electoral integrity they'd bring it in immediately after a presidential election and spend 4 years ensuring that everyone had easy access to a suitable free ID. If that was the story, then I think the number of people complaining about it would be counted on one hand. Instead they've cherry picked forms of acceptable ID to cut off as many Dem leaning demographics as possible, tried to cut voting times to prevent people voting at weekends etc, and done as many other things as they can to stop the Dem vote. They've then been stupid enough to admit it, and yet you insist its all about integrity. Yeah, sure.

Who the **** said anything about integrity? This is about running elections such that ineligible voters are not casting ballots. If you're okay with voter fraud, then you're on the same side as MrFun and Dinner. Personally, I'm not okay with it.

[kentonio]

Who the **** said anything about integrity? This is about running elections such that ineligible voters are not casting ballots. If you're okay with voter fraud, then you're on the same side as MrFun and Dinner. Personally, I'm not okay with it.

I.E. the integrity of the electoral process. Which to you doesn't seem to include not driving perfectly legitimate voters out of the voting booth.